Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 27th Jul 2012 12:41 UTC
Gnome Honest question. Do you think the GNOME project is as healthy today as it was, say, 4 years ago? Benjamin Otte explains that no, it isn't. GNOME lacks developers, goals, mindshare and users. The situation as he describes it, is a lot more dire than I personally thought.
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Yet Another Rant
by johntdaly on Fri 27th Jul 2012 16:56 UTC
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I have a lot of issues with this the blog entry, this article and half the comments posted so far. I don't even know where to start, so in no particular order:

1) Neither OpenOffice/LibreOffice nor Firefox are Gnome apps. I use them on my mac at work and on my Windows notebook at home. I would day the same bout Gimp and Inkscape but I think the blog author and a lot of other users confuse Gnome and Gtk WAY to much.
2) What the fuck is Gnome anyway? It sure as hell isn't DE anymore and while we are at it what is a DE? Right now I like the idea of the desktop shell a la E17 the best. I just want something to brows my system that allows me to start apps and switch between them. This confusion about what the fuck a DE is made my switch form Gnome to XFCE more annoying then it had to be. There is no need that for yet another fucking text editor just because I use Gnome3, Mate, XFCE, LXDE, ROX or name your fork here 5000. I liked gedit, I liked network manager (you can disagree, I'm fine with that). So why do I have to either import half of Gnome in any other DE I might choose to run or refuse to use apps I have grown accustomed to?
3) I love seed, the whole JavaScript is really and I want to use it. The problem is hate your desktop. I like QT too but that alone won't get me to use KDE. Gnome 3, Unity and KDE (since version 1, I've tried them all and didn't like any off them) get under my skin so I CAN'T use them. They just feel wrong. With Gnome 3 and Unity I know why that is, they don't appear to be made for the desktop and that is where I want to use them (I'll give Cinnamon 1.4 a try later this weekend, I've tried 1.2 on OpenSuse and had some minor issues with it).
4) Fuck the average user, you wont get them, you don't have them and it is becoming less and less likely that they will ever use a desktop computer if they haven't used one by now. Right now Gnome doesn't run on tablets and neither does KDE, not really anyway. We don't have tablet hardware where we can just slap a Linux tablet distro onto. That's a big problem in the long run and if you REALY care about it go help the KDE people trying to solve this problem OK? Because I just don't give a rats as about KDE or Gnome 3 or Unity on tablets of for that mater netbooks. I'm a programmer, so are almost all other people I know that use Linux in any way, if they aren't programmers they are system admins (with varying programming experience) or at least power users.

That's about all for me. I was a happy Gnome 2 user and now I'm using XFCE looking at Cinnamon and if any of the Linux desktops doesn't suit me I can use my favorite apps (that are all open source and cross platform) an mac or windows. And that is the point, stop confusing the desktops with a collection of apps (we are way passed the scarcity of good open source apps that originated this idea) and just give me a desktop and file manager combination that rocks ON the desktop. I'm not intimidated by config options so don't hide them, just don't force me to set them all either.

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RE: Yet Another Rant
by Luminair on Sat 28th Jul 2012 05:43 in reply to "Yet Another Rant"
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I sympathize. the application and desktop environment and linux OS paradigm is a mess that locks everyone mediocrity. but it's their choice, so fine. the problem for us is nobody competent cares to do an OS which filters out the sewage. but you can't blame them either, because there is no profit in it, and no need for it with windows and mac around.

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RE: Yet Another Rant
by ggeldenhuys on Wed 1st Aug 2012 10:52 in reply to "Yet Another Rant"
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I feel your pain! I was forced to move from Ubuntu 10.04 (Gnome2) to a different distro - because 10.04 didn't support all my hardware in my new (high spec) PC. Not to mention (K)Ubuntu 12.04 is buggy as hell (total system freezes constantly - not even the mouse pointer can move). So I tried a few others and settled on OpenSuse 12.1, but it too had its share of problems. KDE4 sucks, Unity sucks, Cinnamon is too early days, Gnome3 sucks, XFCE I don't like. So what the hell do I do?? Well, get down to the basics! I installed JWM (Joe's Window Manager). It's simple, it's fast, and it doesn't cause me to fight it every step of the way. The only thing I added to JWM was the jwm-menu add-on to convert the XDG menus into JWM menus (plus my custom / most used menu entries). I'm super happy now. I use whatever apps I liked before (Firefox, gEdit etc) and can actually get work done for a change. These latest DE's are just bloat, damn slow, and causes the end-user to fight them every step of the way. Long live JWM!!!!

Edited 2012-08-01 10:54 UTC

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