Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 27th Jul 2012 12:41 UTC
Gnome Honest question. Do you think the GNOME project is as healthy today as it was, say, 4 years ago? Benjamin Otte explains that no, it isn't. GNOME lacks developers, goals, mindshare and users. The situation as he describes it, is a lot more dire than I personally thought.
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RE: Comment by zizban
by shmerl on Fri 27th Jul 2012 22:35 UTC in reply to "Comment by zizban"
shmerl
Member since:
2010-06-08

Yes, but possible Gnome was already understaffed to pull through both efforts (desktop and mobile designs). Or they considered it not important. KDE made that distinction clear from the start (i.e. Plasma for desktop and PlasmaActive for mobile). Unfortunately for Gnome, ignoring that distinction is a bad idea.

Edited 2012-07-27 22:36 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by zizban
by sj87 on Sat 28th Jul 2012 05:03 in reply to "RE: Comment by zizban"
sj87 Member since:
2007-12-16

KDE folks didn't make any distinction either - KDE4 was designed around 2006-2007 when there were no such things as tablets or touch interfaces. To my mind the KDE desktop is out-dated and legacy, not something we should make a glorified example of Things Done Right.

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RE[3]: Comment by zizban
by Nth_Man on Sat 28th Jul 2012 10:08 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by zizban"
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2010-05-16

KDE4 was designed around 2006-2007 when there were no such things as tablets or touch interfaces.

I remember people using Nintendo DS, and that was launched in 2004.

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RE[3]: Comment by zizban
by Carewolf on Sat 28th Jul 2012 10:59 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by zizban"
Carewolf Member since:
2005-09-08

At the time of KDE4 the discussion was not desktop vs tablet, it was desktop vs netbook and with dreams of being on a mobile phone at some point, so right from the get go KDE4 (well Plasma actually) was designed to have multiple different interfaces using a shared framework but providing very different experiences

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RE[3]: Comment by zizban
by segedunum on Sat 28th Jul 2012 13:34 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by zizban"
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2005-07-06

To my mind the KDE desktop is out-dated and legacy, not something we should make a glorified example of Things Done Right.

I don't know how since KDE is actually a Unix/Linux desktop that works and has the underlying framework to make what they did with KDE 4 (i.e. keeping pace with Vista/7/OS X) onwards sustainable. From that point of view it is certainly an example of Things Done Right(tm).

If KDE is outdated and legacy I really have no idea what that makes Gnome, or where that puts the state of open source desktops.

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RE[3]: Comment by zizban
by shmerl on Sun 29th Jul 2012 03:31 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by zizban"
shmerl Member since:
2010-06-08

Firstly I see nothing outdated there, it's functional and good/modern looking, modular and extensible.

Secondly, the distinction obviously appeared when the idea of tablets was widely introduced. That's what I meant by "from the start". I.e. from the start of tablets period KDE made an effort to approach them with distinct design, while Gnome didn't.

Edited 2012-07-29 03:33 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by zizban
by iswrong on Sat 28th Jul 2012 06:20 in reply to "RE: Comment by zizban"
iswrong Member since:
2012-07-15

I think the underlying toolkit (Qt) helped enormously in this case. TrollTech and later Nokia were already adding support for declaratively defined touch interfaces via Qt Quick.

KDE could quickly leverage Quick for touch interfaces, and there already is a sort of separation in the Qt toolkit between the old Qt (desktop) widgets and Qt Quick.

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