Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 8th Aug 2012 18:45 UTC
Games Valve has just announced it will start selling applications through Steam. "The Software titles coming to Steam range from creativity to productivity. Many of the launch titles will take advantage of popular Steamworks features, such as easy installation, automatic updating, and the ability to save your work to your personal Steam Cloud space so your files may travel with you. More Software titles will be added in an ongoing fashion following the September 5th launch, and developers will be welcome to submit Software titles via Steam Greenlight." I feel like a broken record at this point, but guys and girls, Valve is going to release specifications for a 'Steambox'. A set of minimum specifications a Linux or Windows machine has to adhere to, either self-built or by an OEM. Steam pre-installed, can be used as regular PC and as a console. With Windows 8 locking itself down, this is their only option - and I applaud it.
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RE[6]: Package management
by dylansmrjones on Thu 9th Aug 2012 11:50 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Package management"
dylansmrjones
Member since:
2005-10-02

The poster did not appear to be surprised, but rather the poster was annoyed. Which isn't surprising. But a 20 minute bootup time still seems awfully long in my eyes, but perhaps it is different for users of windows server 2008. We may not get that many updates anymore or what? Or what is just a bit of hyperbolean logic?

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RE[7]: Package management
by lucas_maximus on Thu 9th Aug 2012 12:03 in reply to "RE[6]: Package management"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

10 minute boot up time after a service pack on my 7 year old machine, that is one big update and It happens once per install, other updates install silently in the background and the boot-up is only slightly longer than a minute or two afterwards.

I am sorry but I simple don't believe them. It not my experience using Windows 7 and my hardware is "old". First gen Core 2 duo and an ancient nForce 6 motherboard.

My laptop is a 1.2ghz Core 2 duo, with a 4200rpm drive ... and even then the updates don't take that long.

Also lets not forget, the system asks you whether you want to postpone the reboot.

As for the semantics between surprised and annoyed, they usually come together being part of a negative reaction towards something ... in anycase arguing semantics when the meaning is quite clear is pointless and doesn't really move the conversation on.

Edited 2012-08-09 12:05 UTC

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RE[7]: Package management
by Gone fishing on Thu 9th Aug 2012 14:39 in reply to "RE[6]: Package management"
Gone fishing Member since:
2006-02-22

But a 20 minute bootup time still seems awfully long in my eyes.logic?


Ten minutes to shut down whilst downloading updates and installing updates then ten minutes to start up while windows configures updates 20 minutes in total.

So you don't reboot into it regularly and you are surprised that there are more updates and they take longer to install?

I am sure if I didn't boot my fedora core installation in 3 months it would take a while to download and install all the updates
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I'm sure if I didn't run my Ubuntu or Debian box for a while it would take a while to download and install updates. What it wouldn't do is take 10 minutes to shut down while it was downloading the updates with no get out option and then take 10 minutes to apply them on next start up again with no option for just starting.

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RE[8]: Package management
by lucas_maximus on Thu 9th Aug 2012 18:16 in reply to "RE[7]: Package management"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

I'm sure if I didn't run my Ubuntu or Debian box for a while it would take a while to download and install updates. What it wouldn't do is take 10 minutes to shut down while it was downloading the updates with no get out option and then take 10 minutes to apply them on next start up again with no option for just starting.


That is because it over writes the files that are in use. This can create un-expected results. I had firefox die during a Yum updates.

Windows doesn't do that it overwrites them when they aren't being used. It applies them safely and that is why it takes longer.

10 minutes outside of a service pack, I still don't believe, I waited maybe a minute or two.

Edited 2012-08-09 18:19 UTC

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