No proof of 'Copy-the-iPhone'-order from Samsung
Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 8th Oct 2012 22:11 UTC
Legal Previously redacted documents presented in the Apple-Samsung case do not support Apple's claims that Samsung issued a 'copy-the-iPhone'-order to its designers. It's pretty damning. Apple has very selectively and actively deleted sections of internal Samsung documents and talks to make it seem as if Samsung's designers were ordered to copy the iPhone. With the unredacted, full documents without Apple's deletions in hand, a completely different picture emerges: Samsung's designers are told to be as different and creative as possible. There's no 'copy the iPhone'-order anywhere, as Apple claimed. Instead, it says this: "designers rightly must make their own designs with conviction and confidence; do not strive to do designs to please me (the president); instead make designs with faces that are creative and diverse." I guess my initial scepticism about the documents was not uncalled for. What do you know - lawyers twist and turn the truth. Shocker, huh?
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jared_wilkes
Member since:
2011-04-25

Previously redacted documents presented in the Apple-Samsung case do not support Apple's claims that Samsung issued a 'copy-the-iPhone'-order to its designers.


When did Apple claim "Samsung issued a 'copy-the-iPhone'-order to its designers"? I would love to see this "quote."

Apple has very selectively and actively deleted sections of internal Samsung documents and talks to make it seem as if Samsung's designers were ordered to copy the iPhone.


Now they "made it seem" Samsung designers "were ordered to copy the iPhone." When did Apple make it seem there was an order to copy the iPhone? I followed the trial; I was never under this impression. Please provide a quote.

There's no 'copy the iPhone'-order anywhere, as Apple claimed.


You've now claimed Apple claimed there was a "copy the iPhone" order 3 times now in nearly as many sentences. Please point me to a quote or any document which even remotely makes it appear there was an order to copy?

Who is being "selective" and "actively deleting" to "make it seem as if" something else is the truth?

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Go back and read the documents Apple filed. They left out a whole bunch of stuff to focus on only a few lines, most prominently this one:

"I hear things like this: Let’s make something like the iPhone."

Pretty damning, right?

That was said by a Samsung guy, but if you read this in its context, which Apple ignored, it's suddenly something else entirely. And this is just in documents - you should hear the Apple lawyers talk, where they further emphasised that Samsung specifically ordered its design team to copy the iPhone.

We now know it was all lies. Stuff Apple made up on the spot. That's progress. It's fascinating that it's impossible for you to admit that Apple's lawyers have been caught with their pants down. Then again, you people are still defending the jury foreman, so no surprises here.

Edited 2012-10-09 08:18 UTC

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siraf72 Member since:
2006-02-22

Then again, you people are still defending the jury foreman, so no surprises here.


What do you mean, "you people"!?

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jared_wilkes Member since:
2011-04-25

No, Apple didn't leave out parts of the document. The document was sealed. The document was viewed by all court participants in its entirety. Apple quoted the portion of the document that it thought was relevent to the case and was going to use in cross-examination. Here's Apple's statement:

Similarly, an email chain sourced to Designer Custodian Jeeyeun Wang summarizes a February 2010 meeting between the Head of Samsung’s Mobile Communication Division on Design and numerous Samsung designers, including Minhyouk Lee, Yunjung Lee, and Jinsoo Kim. (Chung Decl. Ex. H at SAMNDCA10247377.) The Head of Samsung’s Mobile Division strongly criticized the design of Samsung’s current phones and, at the same time, praised the iPhone design:


There is no law that says whenever quoting a document submitted to the Court you need to quote the entire thing. Suggesting so is just pure stupidity.

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jared_wilkes Member since:
2011-04-25

And this is just in documents - you should hear the Apple lawyers talk, where they further emphasised that Samsung specifically ordered its design team to copy the iPhone.


This is the fourth time you've said this, and this time you've clearly asserted there is a quote. Please provide this quote where Apple states there was an order to copy the iPhone and that this document is proof of it, please.

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