Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 10th Nov 2012 01:41 UTC
Windows "Despite the fact that I've been using Windows 8 for the past three weeks, I somehow managed to overlook a rather stark feature in the OS: ads. No, we're not talking about ads cluttering up the desktop or login screen (thankfully), but rather ads that can be found inside of some Modern UI apps that Windows ships with. That includes Finance, Weather, Travel, News and so forth. Is it a problem? Let's tackle this from a couple of different angles." Hadn't seen them either - I don't use those applications - but this is pretty despicable.
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Comment by Drumhellar
by Drumhellar on Sat 10th Nov 2012 02:11 UTC
Drumhellar
Member since:
2005-07-12

Well, the ads are unobtrusive, and the apps they show up in are apps that have new content updated throughout the day, it doesn't bother me at all.

Also, the link needs fixing. Its html is borken.

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RE: Comment by Drumhellar
by WereCatf on Sat 10th Nov 2012 03:03 in reply to "Comment by Drumhellar"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Well, the ads are unobtrusive, and the apps they show up in are apps that have new content updated throughout the day, it doesn't bother me at all.


Personally I dislike the idea that you pay for a product and you STILL end up with ads. It would be a different setting if you didn't pay for it, but alas, that is definitely not the case here.

That said I don't have Windows 8 and I wouldn't use those apps anyways, so take my opinion with that in mind.

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RE[2]: Comment by Drumhellar
by Lazarus on Sat 10th Nov 2012 03:24 in reply to "RE: Comment by Drumhellar"
Lazarus Member since:
2005-08-10

Personally I dislike the idea that you pay for a product and you STILL end up with ads. It would be a different setting if you didn't pay for it, but alas, that is definitely not the case here.


I always used to think the same thing about TV service. Then came the Internet... ;)

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RE[2]: Comment by Drumhellar
by tanzam75 on Sat 10th Nov 2012 03:52 in reply to "RE: Comment by Drumhellar"
tanzam75 Member since:
2011-05-19

Personally I dislike the idea that you pay for a product and you STILL end up with ads. It would be a different setting if you didn't pay for it, but alas, that is definitely not the case here.


There are ads on pay-television.

There are ads inside mass-transit buses, even though they charge fares.

There are ads on my Kindle, even though I paid for it.

There are ads at the back of trade paperbacks, for other books from the same publisher.

There are ads in print newspapers, even after you've paid to subscribe to them.

Thus, Windows 8 is very much in line with other hybrid models, in which the user pays something, and the advertiser pays something.

It is also done in a relatively reasonable manner. The ads appear only in those built-in apps that rely on ongoing refreshed content -- i.e., apps that have ongoing licensing costs. If you don't use those apps, then you don't see any ads.

If there were ads in Mail, or Explorer, or the desktop wallpaper -- then that would of course be a different matter!

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modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

you have to scroll all the way to the right to even see the ad.

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RE: Comment by Drumhellar
by WorknMan on Sat 10th Nov 2012 03:03 in reply to "Comment by Drumhellar"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

Well, the ads are unobtrusive, and the apps they show up in are apps that have new content updated throughout the day, it doesn't bother me at all.


Yeah, same here, since I don't use the apps either. In fact, I didn't even know they were there until I saw this article. And trust me, I am someone who hates ads more than just about anybody, and avoided buying a Roku for that same reason (since Roku puts a big-ass ad right on the home screen). If they start putting them on the Start screen, I will be the first one to start bitching.

BTW: A few of my buddies on Google+ were yelling about this and urging everyone to boycott Windows 8, but they all have Xbox 360's with Gold memberships, where not only are the ads right in your face and unavoidable, but you also get charged a monthly subscription fee for the privilege of viewing them. Needless to say, the irony was not lost on me ;)

Anyway, if it bothers you that much, uninstalling those apps is just one right click away. It's too bad you can't also uninstall Metro, but I digress ;)

Edited 2012-11-10 03:07 UTC

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RE: Comment by Drumhellar
by UltraZelda64 on Sat 10th Nov 2012 04:48 in reply to "Comment by Drumhellar"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

Well, the ads are unobtrusive, and the apps they show up in are apps that have new content updated throughout the day, it doesn't bother me at all.

No ads are "unobtrusive" when you don't want to be force-fed these companies' shit, especially after you've paid a ridiculous amount of money for a piece of software.

Windows, that you have to pay hundreds for at retail, is adware. Who would've guessed? I think Lavasoft needs to push out a new version if they're still around that offers to wipe the disk clean if Windows 8 is installed because, after all, it's just a big, glorified, expensive example of what it's fighting.

Literally--for anything good that ever comes to Windows, there are dozens of major, major regressions. Commercial adware... gotta love it.

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RE[2]: Comment by Drumhellar
by WorknMan on Sat 10th Nov 2012 05:58 in reply to "RE: Comment by Drumhellar"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

Windows, that you have to pay hundreds for at retail, is adware.


Hundreds? Nice troll ;)

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RE[2]: Comment by Drumhellar
by Drumhellar on Sat 10th Nov 2012 06:14 in reply to "RE: Comment by Drumhellar"
Drumhellar Member since:
2005-07-12

Well, considering most of the ads aren't even visible unless you scroll past ALL the content.

And, again, they only show up in the apps that have new content updated throughout the day.

The sports app is a good example. You launch it, it's a (nearly) full screen photo from a recent game that links to an article by (the one that popped up this time is from AP). On the right edge hints at more content.

Scroll over, there are 7 headlines, two with a photo, all captioned, and each from different news sources. Farther to the right you see the edge of a scroll box with 15 headlines.

Scroll the screen more are links to videos (6 are presented), plus links to slideshows (6 presented), plus the schedule for whichever sport, followed by a list of your favorite teams, and finally, an advertisement. There is no content beyond the ad. The "Today in Sports" section gives you 4 screens full without an ad, the Hockey section gives 6+.

Follow a link, you get page after page of stories, with a small add every 5 pages or so.

This is far less advertising than, say, when you spend $6 on a magazine.

It is also only these apps that are being constantly updated with new, licensed and copyrighted content that have these ads. The messaging app, mail, people, maps, camera, photo, or RDP apps have no ads.

You're hardly having these ads forced upon you.

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RE[2]: Comment by Drumhellar
by lucas_maximus on Sat 10th Nov 2012 11:34 in reply to "RE: Comment by Drumhellar"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Well, the ads are unobtrusive, and the apps they show up in are apps that have new content updated throughout the day, it doesn't bother me at all.

No ads are "unobtrusive" when you don't want to be force-fed these companies' shit, especially after you've paid a ridiculous amount of money for a piece of software. [/q]

You are aware there were adverts in ancient egypt.

Windows, that you have to pay hundreds for at retail, is adware. Who would've guessed? I think Lavasoft needs to push out a new version if they're still around that offers to wipe the disk clean if Windows 8 is installed because, after all, it's just a big, glorified, expensive example of what it's fighting.


Microsoft T & Cs in the app store is that you are allowed to define you own pricing architecture.

[q]Literally--for anything good that ever comes to Windows, there are dozens of major, major regressions.[\q]

No there isn't if the Application is built properly using the Windows APIs.

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RE: Comment by Drumhellar
by bassbeast on Tue 13th Nov 2012 07:19 in reply to "Comment by Drumhellar"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

it doesn't matter, ads should be in free versions NOT in an OS you paid $120+ for! And before somebody says "Oh win 8 is only $40" you might want to look at the fine print, just as they sold Win 7 for $50 for 6 months so too is Win 8 gonna go up, only its worse because while you got 6 months to get Win 7 at $50 you have to get Win 8 by Jan 17th or get the shaft on the price PLUS the ads...and people wonder why i say win 8 is gonna bomb?

Oh and ONE of my two predictions has come true! I said that Ballmer and Sinofsky would 'pursue other interests" when Win 8 turned into another Vista and guess what? Sinofsky is outta there YAY!

http://news.yahoo.com/microsoft-says-windows-head-sinofsky-leaving-...

Now that the jerk that ramrodded so many tablet UI centric changes into win 8 is gone all we need now is Ballmer to "pursue other interests" and hopefully the board can get someone with a brain to right the ship. Considering the rumor was Ballmer was grooming Sinofsky to be his replacement I'd say this is a pretty big blow, most likely Sinofsky fell on the sword to try to protect Ballmer, but since we are talking 2 BILLION in ads for a lousy 4 million in sales i don't think its gonna work.

Add to that the fact the other OEMs have delayed (read canceled) their WinRT tablets and I'd say all is not happy in the land of Ballmer and as someone who has worked with Windows since the days of Win 3.x I have to say it couldn't be too soon, the guy is a trainwreck of a CEO.

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