Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 11th Nov 2012 15:49 UTC
Windows "Yesterday my desktop died, and so I went ahead and got a brand new Windows 8 laptop. It's always been my feeling that as years go on, user experience has been going down for people who use a computer and the Internet, because of decisions all companies make that are clearly anti-user, either because they think they know best, or in many cases, for financial gains. But from spending all night reinstalling everything and customizing the laptop, I realized just how bad it has become." Probably the biggest reason to go Mac or Linux. Such a shame Microsoft found it more important to pressure OEMs into silly Secure Boot nonsense instead of doing something about the anti-user crapware disaster. Goes to show who Microsoft cares about. Hint: it ain't you.
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RE: Ubuntu is doing the same
by moondevil on Sun 11th Nov 2012 16:31 UTC in reply to "Ubuntu is doing the same"
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The problem is that as long as OEMs exist, this scenario is not going away.

- ZX Spectrum bundles
- Comodore 64 bundles
- Atari ST bundles
- Amiga bundles
- MS-DOS bundles
- Windows bundles
- Symbian operator customizations
- Android operator and OEM customizations
- Linux netbook distributions (e.g. Linpus, Express Gate)
- ...

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Earl C Pottinger Member since:

Sorry, but right up to the Amiga *NONE* of the bundled software was installed into your computer and running in the background whether you wanted it or not.

It only was when bundles came installed in the OS itself did users run into problems.

Go further back if you want to talk about bundles, many CPM systems came with them, but as far as I know on microcomputers you did not get this software forced onto you in such a manner that you had problems disabling the installed bundles until Windows came along.

And even then the early Windows bundles were easy to remove and did not add all sort of hidden code to your booting system.

Edited 2012-11-11 16:57 UTC

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RE[3]: Ubuntu is doing the same
by leech on Sun 11th Nov 2012 18:34 in reply to "RE[2]: Ubuntu is doing the same"
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Yeah, providing software (that was useful) in a bundle with the old systems is completely different than pre-installed crapware that is installed with Modern systems.

Bit of a difference when you include Dungeon Master for the Atari ST in a "Gaming bundle" than installing a billion toolbars in Windows.

When talking about 'bundles' how about Java now offering to install McAfee? Or Cnet bundling various crap ware in GPL'd software?

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Savior Member since:

Sorry, but right up to the Amiga *NONE* of the bundled software was installed into your computer and running in the background whether you wanted it or not.

Hardly needs to be mentioned that the same was obviously true for the Spectrum and C64 bundles. ;)

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moondevil Member since:

My point is that OEMs having been doing this since the early days.

The reason why they weren't so extreme as nowadays is because in most of those systems they weren't allowed to change the built-in ROMs were the operating system was loaded from.

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RE[2]: Ubuntu is doing the same
by MOS6510 on Mon 12th Nov 2012 05:39 in reply to "RE: Ubuntu is doing the same"
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The Commodore Plus/4 actually came installed with not-so-good software, 4 of them (hence the name).

"Unfortunately, the application suite, featuring a word processor, spreadsheet, database, and graphing, was completely inadequate for the Plus/4's originally intended market of business and professional users."


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