Linked by Howard Fosdick on Thu 6th Dec 2012 05:26 UTC
OSNews, Generic OSes With computers now shipping with UEFI Secure Boot enabled, users of any OS other than Windows 8 will want to know how to circumvent it. Jesse Smith of DistroWatch tells how he did it here. The Linux Foundation describes its approach here. If you want to boot an OS other than Windows 8, you'll want to figure this out before you buy that new computer.
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RE: Comment by marcp
by mistersoft on Sat 8th Dec 2012 04:45 UTC in reply to "Comment by marcp"
mistersoft
Member since:
2011-01-05

no personal offence but that argument's Bull really

-As has been already pointed out, not only is the market for os-free or alternative-os-certified machines relatively small to begin with, but it's artificially further deflated by the current de facto 'choice' (esp with laptops) alt-os lovers make which is to buy windows, sometimes os x machines wipe the pre-installed os and go from there.

It's disingenous to suggest the alternative and preferable scenario you suggest of such purchasers holding out for certified or even specifically designed linux bsd haiku whatever- products. Because we all know they probably wouldn't never even have 'good android'/google/microsoft, let alone Apple level of fit and finish. and that's just the truth.

One day -if there's anything fair and truthful to our competition laws, there needs to be some legislative forced opening up of hardware or hardware-software lock-ins, from secure boot setups be they UEFI or locked mobile boot-loaders to the walled garden APP-o-spheres currently in vogue.

So everyone and anyone has the chance to 'run what they want' on a device that they 'own'. We might 'license' the software but we 'own' the hardware (even if we don't have right to reimplement it of course)

That's that. That's the fair end game - which is possible if people collectively give a shit.

Forced provision of open boot loaders is more likely than people really effecting change by 'voting with their wallets' - that never works! it's like boycotts, if a reasonable % don't care, which they never will, it's not a boycott. If people have some low rent but extant options for running their alt-os of choice, well they'll probably plump for that rather than the X million linux users in the world all coming together in a huge crowd-funding campaign and literally BUYING the rights to one of those we'll-never-release-the-source-code-from-our-cold-dead-grasp and putting together a really good /decent totally open source laptop and tablet pair ; would be ace, but it's dreaming.

edit - spelling

Edited 2012-12-08 04:47 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by marcp
by marcp on Sun 9th Dec 2012 10:39 in reply to "RE: Comment by marcp"
marcp Member since:
2007-11-23

I beg to differ.

-As has been already pointed out, not only is the market for os-free or alternative-os-certified machines relatively small to begin with, but it's artificially further deflated by the current de facto 'choice' (esp with laptops) alt-os lovers make which is to buy windows, sometimes os x machines wipe the pre-installed os and go from there.

You're not going behind diagnosing the actual state. I'm going beyond that with suggestion on how this problem can be fixed. Besides: you're trying to say that this "market" for FLOSS computers will never succeed, because it's ... small. You can't really try to explain one thing with itself. The market is small, because people believe in the things you write about. They don't give a damn, because they don't understand and they don't understand, because they don't give a damn. They don't have the knowledge, so they can't really vote with their wallets. They just accept the things they are. Not very wise.

It's disingenous to suggest the alternative and preferable scenario you suggest of such purchasers holding out for certified or even specifically designed linux bsd haiku whatever- products. Because we all know they probably wouldn't never even have 'good android'/google/microsoft, let alone Apple level of fit and finish. and that's just the truth.

And when did you last check on that kind of hardware? System76, anyone? Just take a look around and you'll find plenty of good hardware. In fact, most of the Windows-related hardware is cheap-ass crap that isn't even worth its price, and Apple hardware is just overpriced hardware to make your ego feel more "premium".

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RE[3]: Comment by marcp
by mistersoft on Mon 10th Dec 2012 10:09 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by marcp"
mistersoft Member since:
2011-01-05

Thanks for the mention of System76 they look fairly useful actually, I'd never heard of them.

I agree with some of your points actually.

But I have to disagree still with the 'voting with your/their wallets' argument -- I like the idea and the simplicity of [a bunch of potential customers] voting with there wallets and going elsewhere instead where they can get more open, or better supported systems etc but (and it's got zero to do with their intelligence or level of informedness) (a) people are too lazy to follow through with their convictions a lot of the time, even if they believe it might be the right thing to do. A mix convenience, and yes I still say design and build too - forgot the ego massaging, I'm certainly not into that anyway, I'd still take an apple laptop to run non apple OSes on though - I'm no fanboy at all. (b) I completely believe not a big enough swathe of alt-OS users/customers are actually interested enough if buying into or even actually creating a new bigger 'certified-hardware' ecosystem to allow it to REALLY thrive - yes I know you mentioned system76, and I know there's a bunch of other providers ..but they're not big-players versus the majority who repurpose systems originally with win/mac installed or off the shelf PC boxes.

only my 2 pence worth.

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