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Microsoft Microsoft has just responded to Google's move regarding Exchange ActiveSync. Sadly, instead of addressing the very real problems consumers are about to face, Microsoft starts talking about switching to Outlook.com.
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Vanders
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2005-07-06

So? Does that mean that sales are not increasing?


Oh certainly, sales are increasing. I just object to people trotting out the same tired and twisted stats like it matters. WebOS had two amazing quarters of growth, but that particular statistic is meaningless. It's total devices that matters, and Windows Phone 8 doesn't matter.

The fact that Microsoft is keeping up with the market


But they're not. WP8 market share is lower than WP7 market share was. It remains to be seen if they'll ever regain the heady heights of the 3-4% market share the had back then.

Do you have evidence to support that every single app developer who's seen a dramatic increase in sales started at zero?


They all did. No one was selling Windows Phone 8 apps until Windows Phone 8 launched. Again, a "dramatic increase" is a meaningless statistic. Actual, hard figures.

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There's no evidence that there is any more real, consumer driven momentum behind WP8 than any of their previous mobile platforms


There's no evidence..if you conveniently ignore the evidence like you have.
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Where is it then? Windows Phone 8 hasn't even been out long enough to show up on any market research; what's there is dumped under "Other" along with Meego and WebOS. You have no evidence of anything related to WP8 because the data simply doesn't exist yet.

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29



Oh certainly, sales are increasing. I just object to people trotting out the same tired and twisted stats like it matters. WebOS had two amazing quarters of growth, but that particular statistic is meaningless. It's total devices that matters, and Windows Phone 8 doesn't matter.


Sequential growth is also important. QoQ growth for Windows Phone has been steady.

I was replying to the statement that Microsoft has sold no phones. If you're in agreement with me that they have sold phones, then your comment is meaningless besides to toss a few zingers out.


But they're not. WP8 market share is lower than WP7 market share was. It remains to be seen if they'll ever regain the heady heights of the 3-4% market share the had back then.


That's ridiculous. WP7 and WP8 marketshare is to be viewed as just Windows Phone. Or do you count iOS5 marketshare as just iOS5?

Windows Phone 7 devices are still being announced, sold, and marketed all over the world.



They all did. No one was selling Windows Phone 8 apps until Windows Phone 8 launched. Again, a "dramatic increase" is a meaningless statistic. Actual, hard figures.


The increase I'm talking about is for Windows Phone 7 applications in general, since Windows Phone 8 has been released (and if you didn't know, can run WP7 apps)


Where is it then? Windows Phone 8 hasn't even been out long enough to show up on any market research; what's there is dumped under "Other" along with Meego and WebOS. You have no evidence of anything related to WP8 because the data simply doesn't exist yet


My statement isn't exclusive to the WP8 launch, I merely included the app statistics as an indicator of WP8's impact, since like you said, it's too early to do it otherwise.

However, you can look at Windows Phone 7 sales and see a clear acceleration.

There's also a ramp up in Marketplace submissions (up 40%) and the pace at which the Market has grown has increased (and it was already the fastest growing Ecosystem before Windows 8 launched).

Marketshare is somewhat of a lagging indicator in my opinion, but the handset is undoubtedly in many, many more hands than it was even a year ago. That's my entire point, so I'm a little puzzled at the reasoning behind your comment.

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Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

I was replying to the statement that Microsoft has sold no phones. If you're in agreement with me that they have sold phones, then your comment is meaningless besides to toss a few zingers out.


I was replying to your poor grasp of statistics.


WP7 and WP8 marketshare is to be viewed as just Windows Phone. Or do you count iOS5 marketshare as just iOS5?


There's no upgrade path from WP7 to WP8; users have to literally throw away their WP7 device and get a new WP8 device, hence I consider them different things and count them separately. You're free to disagree.


However, you can look at Windows Phone 7 sales and see a clear acceleration.

There's also a ramp up in Marketplace submissions (up 40%) and the pace at which the Market has grown has increased (and it was already the fastest growing Ecosystem before Windows 8 launched).


Maybe I should be clearer: please stop using relative statistics as any meaningful indicator of the absolute success of Windows Phone in the market place. A 40% increase in app submissions isn't very interesting. A 200% or 300% increase might be interesting, as that would indicate rapid growth: 40% is just "growth" and even the WebOS app market managed to grow.

Marketshare is somewhat of a lagging indicator in my opinion, but the handset is undoubtedly in many, many more hands than it was even a year ago. That's my entire point, so I'm a little puzzled at the reasoning behind your comment.


Again, my complaint is that you're using relative growth as an indicator. Of course Windows Phone handsets are in "many more hands" than a year ago: WP7 hadn't even been out all that long at the beginning of last year! That's called "growth", and while it's nice, it's not spectacular or interesting growth.

In the same time frame that Windows Phone has reached "many more hands", iOS and Android have shipped hundreds of millions of new devices. There is no evidence at all that Windows Phone has had even the slightest impact on the Android or iOS markets, and without that impact it's always going to be an also-ran, lumped under "Other" at the bottom of the chart.

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