Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 18th Dec 2012 00:03 UTC
Microsoft Microsoft has just responded to Google's move regarding Exchange ActiveSync. Sadly, instead of addressing the very real problems consumers are about to face, Microsoft starts talking about switching to Outlook.com.
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boing
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2007-05-22

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The issue is that existing configurations, for say, new devices, pre-configure GMail to use EAS because it is a simpler solution to roll out, and because it integrates nicely into the enterprise.

So while no current users are affected, people now have to scramble to alter the way they configure Gmail accounts. For example, on Windows Phone 7, Gmail accounts are auto set up to use Google Sync with EAS.

Meaning after the cut off date, any WP device that comes with Gmail must be reconfigured or it will not work out of the box. That's a breaking experience.


Yes I do agree EAS is a easier solution to setup on a mobile device. Yes you are correct, "free" users will have to setup their devices in another way for future connections, but then again its a free account so putting some of your time in to adapt doesn't seem to far fetched. As far as Windows Phone, looks like Microsoft needs to support CalDav and CardDAV. Android and iOS already support this, so it looks like Microsoft is behind the curve here since Android and iOS are the majority of the phone market OS'es. So it is only "breaking" Windows Phone. My suggestion is current Windows Phone users move over to Outlook.com or scream to have Microsoft support CalDAV and CardDAV like Google, Apple, and just any other small business hosting company.


2) If you are a company, and if you purchase the business edition you will still have ActiveSync. So companies that use some of their profits to purchase a business account will be unaffected.


For now. That's the really worrying part to business I'd imagine. It must be absolutely horrifying that Google even flirts with the idea of ditching EAS.


We can't speculate the future, I am looking at now, and right now paid users get EAS. No issue here if you are a company and pay for the services.


3) IMAP does do PUSH (IMAP IDLE), and it is not as inefficient as everyone goes on about. This is an old white paper but a good read: http://www.isode.com/whitepapers/imap-idle.html


When resources are at a premium, say on a mobile device, "not as inefficient" doesn't really cut it.

IMAP IDLE is flawed in that respect. It becomes increasingly more demanding to receive push emails (Never mind the fact that the e-mail isn't even downloaded in the background like EAS)

Saying its an alternative to ActiveSync Push is foolish.


If resources are at a premium, I think people have more to worry about then IMAP IDLE. Best to start looking at apps running services in the background (Facebook, Twitter, etc..). Funny a person (not saying you) might worry about IMAP IDLE, but then run a ton of apps with services running in the background. Actually I do think IMAP IDLE is "acceptable", even if it costs me a little more battery as compared to the proprietary solution from Microsoft.

I never said IMAP is an alternative to ActiveSync, BUT I do think IMAP (with IMAP IDLE), CalDAV, and CardDAV IS an alternative to ActiveSync. It might not be the most efficient alternative, but never the less, it is an alternative which I find acceptable. So for you to say IMAP (with IDLE)+CalDAV+DalDAV is not an alternative to ActiveSYNC would be just as foolish.


I agree with implementing CalDAV and CardDAV, if only for completeness. The ActiveSync protocol is open, its just royalty encumbered. You pay to play. That's different from not being able to play at all.


Exactly, and Google decided not to pay to play for their "free" accounts. If someone has a problem with this and MUST use ActiveSync, then go use Outlook.com. Makes sense to use the email solution from the vender who offers the proprietary paid license solution.


If more companies remove ActiveSync support like Google, Microsoft will be forced to make a move sooner rather then later. Microsoft being forced to do something is not always a bad thing (IE10, .NET, IIS & PHP, etc..). Another good example of this sort of thing happening is Adobe and FLASH, and how they have been forced to adapt to a more standards approach.

Open standards are a good thing.

Maybe. I just don't see it happening. There is no good replacement for EAS yet. I think maybe once better IMAP extensions become more mainstream..then we could revisit this conversation but I have a huge problem with degrading the experience for the sake of open standards.

Come up with something better, don't just stand on the shoulders of the fact that a standard is open.


As I said earlier, there is a replacement for EAS, and that is IMAP (with IDLE), CalDav, and CardDav. Is this the best solution, no. Then again a lot of "free" software is not the best solution, but it is an acceptable solution (such as OpenOffice vs Microsoft Office). If you want to pay for a better solution, then go purchase it. If the company that makes the better solution offers you free use of that solution if you use their services, then go use their services.

Personally I find IMAP (with IDLE), CalDal, and CardDav acceptable and is what I use. The good thing is if everyone adopts these open standards I can connect to anybody's service. So it sounds like I got more choice going the open standard route.
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bentoo Member since:
2012-09-21

...looks like Microsoft needs to support CalDav and CardDAV. Android and iOS already support this...


Wrong (for Android at least).

http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=7639

Edited 2012-12-18 20:42 UTC

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boing Member since:
2007-05-22

"...looks like Microsoft needs to support CalDav and CardDAV. Android and iOS already support this...


Wrong (for Android at least).

http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=7639
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Looks like I stand corrected, thanks. Given the fact that Google is removing EAS and just added CardDav, I am sure they will push that missing support very quickly. Makes no sense they would pull EAS, and offer alternatives which they don't even support in their own Android OS. Bad Google for that and the short notice on pulling EAS.

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Fair enough, I think your positions are completely sensible. I think we differ a little bit, but its been more productive than not having a discussion with you.

Cheers.

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boing Member since:
2007-05-22

Fair enough, I think your positions are completely sensible. I think we differ a little bit, but its been more productive than not having a discussion with you.

Cheers.


I try to be as sensible as possible, which I know is not always easy on the forums. Actually I don't post very often but I decided to speak out of this since I have been reading so much about it recently. I always enjoy the various perspectives, even if we might differ in views.

I noticed your previous comment with the "**" being for Android users. The funny thing is, even though I support Google's choice on this, I am not a fan of Google, and don't use any of their services except for owning a Android phone. Even more, I don't like Android and looking to move to something new in the near future. The only current alternative I see right now for me to Android is the iPhone, because it has the apps I currently use on Android. Windows Phone (I do like the Lumia 920) doesn't have enough apps yet. The one I am looking at with curiosity is the new Blackberry 10. I like the fact it can run Android 2.3 apps, so it will be interesting to see if the developers repackage their Android apps for Blackberry store. If that happens it looks like I might go with Blackberry 10 since I will be able to continue with some of the same apps I already use.

Cheers.

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