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Window Managers In the final years of my high school career, more concerned with going out and drinking three times a week than with actually doing anything meaningful at my supposedly posh gymnasium, I rediscovered my love for computing - a love lost during the onset of aforementioned going out and drinking. Realising I would hit university soon, I saved up 2000 guilders, ordered the parts for a brand-new computer, and thanks to this then state-of-the-art computer, old flames were rekindled. Since this pun is burning a hole in my pocket - it was an enlightening experience.
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Linux Mint
by m0ns0on on Sat 22nd Dec 2012 22:49 UTC
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2012-11-09

I use Linux Mint, and it's one of those times where the central repository model really shows its weakness. There's no packages for my distribution yet, so I would need to compile E17 from source myself (which I won't do, as it takes too much time).

If this would be Mac or Windows or BeOS or AmigaOS or any other not-linux type OS, there would be a neatly prepared installer for me - but not here. These developers do not have the resources to take care of all the different distros - they could just as well be different operating systems.

But it's been over a decade since Linux matured to a stable and productive state. Linux devs still haven't figured out how to distribute binaries in a userfriendly way (unless you figure that the centralized repos give you all the bliss you'll ever need). It means that the app developers can't reach their users directly, but will have to depend on third parties to do it for them. I don't know if this distance between the developers and the users is a plus or a minus.. (Then again, in the case of Gnome 3, the developers couldn't really be bothered with users in the first place, unless they are also Gnome developers...).

I'd really like to try this DE, as I liked the older version back in the day. I guess I will just have to wait till some Mint user packages this. But it has to be said - the way Linux is designed for software distribution could be improved.

Edited 2012-12-22 22:50 UTC

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RE: Linux Mint
by No it isnt on Sat 22nd Dec 2012 23:00 in reply to "Linux Mint"
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

You don't want a desktop environment distributed as a single binary or a single installer. Yes, I see you believe you do, but you don't. E17 is a window manager, but also a collection of libraries that may or may not be installed before you get "E17". It needs system level integration, and you'll get that soon enough. Just be patient.

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RE[2]: Linux Mint
by m0ns0on on Sat 22nd Dec 2012 23:05 in reply to "RE: Linux Mint"
m0ns0on Member since:
2012-11-09

Yes I do want it, and I *could* have gotten it ;) Even if it would be a GUI to compile the whole thing (and later, uninstall if possible) - I would want a GUI.

If you are telling me that it's not possible to install a framework and a set of apps with an installer then you must be relatively new to computers. An installer is a solution to the exact problem I'm having, and it's being done every day on every platform other than *nix systems (well, even *nix systems I'd imagine, even though most Linux developers prefer other people package for them).

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RE: Linux Mint
by Jason Bourne on Sat 22nd Dec 2012 23:10 in reply to "Linux Mint"
Jason Bourne Member since:
2007-06-02

The way Linux is designed for software distribution could be improved.


Know what you mean, but this is one of the things that makes Linux strong - installation is not modular at all. That means the dummies can't just go and click away installing things.

Usually when I do software maintenance on user's Windows machines, this kind of thing is a disaster, they just click away a .EXE file and load up ten different toolbars in IE, they don't even uncheck stuff like this when installing adware apps.

Edited 2012-12-22 23:11 UTC

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RE: Linux Mint
by Soulbender on Sat 22nd Dec 2012 23:17 in reply to "Linux Mint"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

And it's one of those times where the central repository model really shows its weakness. There's no packages for my distribution yet, so I would need to compile E17 from source myself


Nothing is stopping the E-17 team from builidng packages for Mint.

If this would be Mac or Windows or BeOS or AmigaOS or any other not-linux type OS, there would be a neatly prepared installer for me


Only if the E-17 team made one and if they can't be bothered to build debian packages why would they have bothered with installers?

It means that the app developers can't reach their users directly,


Yes they can, they only need to create a deb or rpm and make it available. It's not much more difficult than creating a Windows installer really.

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RE: Linux Mint
by thedaemonofid on Sun 23rd Dec 2012 04:21 in reply to "Linux Mint"
thedaemonofid Member since:
2012-12-23

https://launchpad.net/~efl/+archive/trunk

Here you go my friend. Works fine for me in Mint.

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RE[2]: Linux Mint
by Soulbender on Mon 24th Dec 2012 04:47 in reply to "RE: Linux Mint"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Also works well on Ubuntu.
Well, aside from the fact that dual-monitor doesn't seem to work and all gtk apps looks like ass now (but that was expected).
On the plus side, the default theme is a big improvement and terminology seems to be quite nice.

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