Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 22nd Dec 2012 16:12 UTC
In the final years of my high school career, more concerned with going out and drinking three times a week than with actually doing anything meaningful at my supposedly posh gymnasium, I rediscovered my love for computing - a love lost during the onset of aforementioned going out and drinking. Realising I would hit university soon, I saved up 2000 guilders, ordered the parts for a brand-new computer, and thanks to this then state-of-the-art computer, old flames were rekindled. Since this pun is burning a hole in my pocket - it was an enlightening experience.
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Member since:2005-11-14
You don't want a desktop environment distributed as a single binary or a single installer. Yes, I see you believe you do, but you don't. E17 is a window manager, but also a collection of libraries that may or may not be installed before you get "E17". It needs system level integration, and you'll get that soon enough. Just be patient.
Member since:2012-11-09
Yes I do want it, and I *could* have gotten it 
Even if it would be a GUI to compile the whole thing (and later, uninstall if possible) - I would want a GUI.
If you are telling me that it's not possible to install a framework and a set of apps with an installer then you must be relatively new to computers. An installer is a solution to the exact problem I'm having, and it's being done every day on every platform other than *nix systems (well, even *nix systems I'd imagine, even though most Linux developers prefer other people package for them).
Member since:2007-06-02
The way Linux is designed for software distribution could be improved.
Know what you mean, but this is one of the things that makes Linux strong - installation is not modular at all. That means the dummies can't just go and click away installing things.
Usually when I do software maintenance on user's Windows machines, this kind of thing is a disaster, they just click away a .EXE file and load up ten different toolbars in IE, they don't even uncheck stuff like this when installing adware apps.
Edited 2012-12-22 23:11 UTC
Member since:2005-08-18
And it's one of those times where the central repository model really shows its weakness. There's no packages for my distribution yet, so I would need to compile E17 from source myself
Nothing is stopping the E-17 team from builidng packages for Mint.
If this would be Mac or Windows or BeOS or AmigaOS or any other not-linux type OS, there would be a neatly prepared installer for me
Only if the E-17 team made one and if they can't be bothered to build debian packages why would they have bothered with installers?
It means that the app developers can't reach their users directly,
Yes they can, they only need to create a deb or rpm and make it available. It's not much more difficult than creating a Windows installer really.
Member since:2012-12-23
https://launchpad.net/~efl/+archive/trunk
Here you go my friend. Works fine for me in Mint.
Member since:2005-08-18
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Linked by Thom Holwerda on 05/24/13 23:59 UTC
The Tizen Greek Community has some screenshots of a very recent build of Tizen running on a Samsung GT-i8800. It looks wholly unremarkable.
Linked by Thom Holwerda on 05/24/13 22:33 UTC
Joint statement to The Next Web from Microsoft and Google: "Microsoft and YouTube are working together to update the new YouTube for Windows Phone app to enable compliance with YouTube's API terms of service, including enabling ads, in the coming weeks. Microsoft will replace the existing YouTube app in Windows Phone Store with the previous version during this time." Good to know these children stopped acting like little pricks. Can we have full Google support in Windows 8 now, please?
Linked by Howard Fosdick on 05/24/13 21:41 UTC
Yahoo is acquiring Tumblr, the microblogging and social networking website, for $1.1 billion USD. Tumblr offers little revenue but lots of eyeballs if Yahoo can monetarize them. Now Yahoo is bidding for Hulu, the streaming video service. After years of ineffective responses while Google, Facebook, and others took large chunks of the online advertising market, Yahoo is fighting back. Can Yahoo reignite the momentum it had at the turn of the century? What do you think?
Linked by Thom Holwerda on 05/24/13 14:44 UTC
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Linked by Thom Holwerda on 05/23/13 23:22 UTC
"Ilja van Sprundel, a security researcher with IOActive, has discovered a large number of issues in the way various X client libraries handle the responses they receive from servers, and has worked with X.Org's security team to analyze, confirm, and fix these issues."
Linked by Thom Holwerda on 05/23/13 22:04 UTC
"Google is facing a new antitrust probe by the U.S. Federal Trade Commission into whether the company is using its leadership in the online display-advertising market to illegally curb competition, people familiar with the matter said." Sucks to be Google today, apparently.
Linked by Thom Holwerda on 05/23/13 22:01 UTC
"In the midst of the major press blitz surrounding its annual I/O Conference, Google dropped some unfortunate news about its instant messaging plans. In several places around the web, the company is replacing the existing 'Talk' platform with a new one called 'Hangouts' that sharply diminishes support for the open messaging protocol known as XMPP (or sometimes informally Jabber), and also removes the option to disable the archiving of all chat communications. These changes represent a switch from open protocols to proprietary ones, and a clear step backward for many users." That's why I always say: only suckers trust companies.
Linked by Thom Holwerda on 05/23/13 17:52 UTC
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Linked by Thom Holwerda on 05/22/13 22:23 UTC
"Sony gave the PS4 50% more raw shader performance, plain and simple (768 SPs @ 800MHz vs. 1152 SPs & 800MHz). Unlike last generation, you don't need to be some sort of Jedi to extract the PS4's potential here. The Xbox One and PS4 architectures are quite similar, Sony just has more hardware under the hood. Weâll have to wait and see how this hardware delta gets exposed in games over time, but the gap is definitely there. The funny thing about game consoles is that itâs usually the lowest common denominator that determines the bulk of the experience across all platforms. On the plus side, the Xbox One should enjoy better power/thermal characteristics compared to the PlayStation 4. Even compared to the Xbox 360 we should see improvement in many use cases thanks to modern power management techniques." AnandTech does its usual in-depth thing.More News »
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I use Linux Mint, and it's one of those times where the central repository model really shows its weakness. There's no packages for my distribution yet, so I would need to compile E17 from source myself (which I won't do, as it takes too much time).
If this would be Mac or Windows or BeOS or AmigaOS or any other not-linux type OS, there would be a neatly prepared installer for me - but not here. These developers do not have the resources to take care of all the different distros - they could just as well be different operating systems.
But it's been over a decade since Linux matured to a stable and productive state. Linux devs still haven't figured out how to distribute binaries in a userfriendly way (unless you figure that the centralized repos give you all the bliss you'll ever need). It means that the app developers can't reach their users directly, but will have to depend on third parties to do it for them. I don't know if this distance between the developers and the users is a plus or a minus.. (Then again, in the case of Gnome 3, the developers couldn't really be bothered with users in the first place, unless they are also Gnome developers...).
I'd really like to try this DE, as I liked the older version back in the day. I guess I will just have to wait till some Mint user packages this. But it has to be said - the way Linux is designed for software distribution could be improved.
Edited 2012-12-22 22:50 UTC