Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 5th Jan 2013 14:53 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y And so this situation is starting to get ridiculous - and consumers are, as usual, caught in the middle of it all. Google has just blocked Windows Phone devices from accessing Google Maps on their phones. In addition, it also seems Windows Phone users are now restricted to the basic HTML version of the mobile GMail website. While understandable from a defensive perspective - Microsoft's extortion scheme targeting Android device makers and all that - it's still a massive dick move that only hurts consumers. Update: the media attention has worked - Google is backpedalling, and will remove the redirect. "We periodically test Google Maps compatibility with mobile browsers to make sure we deliver the best experience for those users. In our last test, IE mobile still did not offer a good maps experience with no ability to pan or zoom and perform basic map functionality. As a result, we chose to continue to redirect IE mobile users to Google.com where they could at least make local searches. The Firefox mobile browser did offer a somewhat better user experience and that’s why there is no redirect for those users. Recent improvements to IE mobile and Google Maps now deliver a better experience and we are currently working to remove the redirect. We will continue to test Google Maps compatibility with other mobile browsers to ensure the best possible experience for users."
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Why does HTML5 exist?
by Nelson on Sat 5th Jan 2013 15:03 UTC
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

Why does HTML5 exist if Google is just going to optimize their websites for their own browser?

Google is literally, with this, killing the promise of the mobile web. When Microsoft did it with IE6 they were rightly criticized for it.

This is not understandable. Not by any stretch of imagination. It is unbelievable, and further reinforces the notion that Google is systematically locking out competing platforms.

I'm interested in how some of you will spin this.

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RE: Why does HTML5 exist?
by Laurence on Sat 5th Jan 2013 15:10 in reply to "Why does HTML5 exist?"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Why does HTML5 exist if Google is just going to optimize their websites for their own browser?

Google is literally, with this, killing the promise of the mobile web. When Microsoft did it with IE6 they were rightly criticized for it.

This is not understandable. Not by any stretch of imagination. It is unbelievable, and further reinforces the notion that Google is systematically locking out competing platforms.

I'm interested in how some of you will spin this.

To be fair, they do optimise their sites to run a number of other browsers, including later versions of Internet Explorer. This is just a petty move by Google backed by an even weaker argument from Google.

That said, there is still an increasing issue of sites being developed that do specifically target webkit. And not just from Google nor Apple web developers either.

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RE[2]: Why does HTML5 exist?
by Nelson on Sat 5th Jan 2013 16:00 in reply to "RE: Why does HTML5 exist?"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Yeah, I don't doubt their intentions were more malicious than their statement lets on, I was just addressing their excuse. Its pathetic.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Well last time we spoke you thought that was kinda of okay ...

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RE: Why does HTML5 exist?
by microFawad on Sat 5th Jan 2013 17:17 in reply to "Why does HTML5 exist?"
microFawad Member since:
2005-12-09

That's the only reason I don't support Chrome and IE. I have always supported Mozilla because of their philosophy of Open Web. Mozilla is non-profit foundation and they had never done anything bad to create monopoly.
I fully support and promote their new mobile OS (Firefox OS) because they are working hard to keep the mobile platform open and promoting the use of open technologies to build mobile apps.

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RE: Why does HTML5 exist?
by Lazarus on Sat 5th Jan 2013 17:44 in reply to "Why does HTML5 exist?"
Lazarus Member since:
2005-08-10

I'm interested in how some of you will spin this.


It is definitely a dick move, and the people with Windows Phone shouldn't suffer because of this IP war between corporations.

However, there is a part of me that hopes this puts some hurt on Microsoft, and that they learn something about how it is not nice to do such things to others.

I can dream, can't I?

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RE: Why does HTML5 exist?
by JAlexoid on Sat 5th Jan 2013 17:48 in reply to "Why does HTML5 exist?"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

It's a dick move, what else to spin?

I believe it's only for mobile versions? So HTML5 isn't really at issue here. I don't believe that their site is actually only WebKit optimized.

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RE[2]: Why does HTML5 exist?
by judgen on Sat 5th Jan 2013 18:55 in reply to "RE: Why does HTML5 exist?"
judgen Member since:
2006-07-12

Is it a dick move when the bullied nerd on the schoolyard stands up against said bully too? I would just call google's move blowback.

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RE[2]: Why does HTML5 exist?
by Delgarde on Sun 6th Jan 2013 23:21 in reply to "RE: Why does HTML5 exist?"
Delgarde Member since:
2008-08-19

I believe it's only for mobile versions? So HTML5 isn't really at issue here. I don't believe that their site is actually only WebKit optimized.


Their mobile site? It probably is, actually - WebKit is basically the only browser engine of interest on mobile platforms, seeing as that covers both iOS and Android devices. So given that, I'd say yes, it's entirely plausible that their mobile site relies on WebKit-only features...

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RE: Why does HTML5 exist?
by cjosc99 on Sat 5th Jan 2013 23:46 in reply to "Why does HTML5 exist?"
cjosc99 Member since:
2011-07-13

If Microsoft does nothing but to attack, extort and denigrate Google. What is what Microsoft expects? A flower bouquet and a box of chocolates?
That's just not going to happen!!

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RE[2]: Why does HTML5 exist?
by Deviate_X on Sun 6th Jan 2013 22:30 in reply to "RE: Why does HTML5 exist?"
Deviate_X Member since:
2005-07-11

I own a windows desktop, a mac laptop, a nexus tables and a surface rt. Like most i also use a lot of google services. So who is being more damaged?

It's not Microsoft who is being damaged here, its googles own users and customers and its googles own reputation.

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RE: Why does HTML5 exist?
by bassbeast on Sun 6th Jan 2013 03:27 in reply to "Why does HTML5 exist?"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

Because we are going back to the days of "This site works best in" thanks to corporate douchebaggery? To be fair the W3C is slow as Xmas but the answer there is obvious, fire their behinds and start a new standards org that doesn't take 3 forevers to get new features into the spec.

But of course that wouldn't let big corps like Google lock people into their platform, can't have none of that. does anybody else find it ironic that after years of having to fake user string with FF and Opera thanks to IE 6 that now its IE that is gonna have to fake user strings? Doesn't make it any less douchebaggy though and I think this can finally lay to rest that whole "do no evil" bit, since locking down the web with platform specific crap and redirects is pretty damned evil in my book.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

You have described the WHATWG.

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RE: Why does HTML5 exist?
by HappyGod on Mon 7th Jan 2013 03:36 in reply to "Why does HTML5 exist?"
HappyGod Member since:
2005-10-19

I'm bracing myself for the torrent of hate here, but:

You can't literally kill a promise.

I'm sorry. Really :-)

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RE[2]: Why does HTML5 exist?
by WereCatf on Mon 7th Jan 2013 08:52 in reply to "RE: Why does HTML5 exist?"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

You can't literally kill a promise.


Actually, if it's a person who shows a lot of promise or a person who made a promise then you just need to kill the person... ;)

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RE: Why does HTML5 exist?
by segedunum on Tue 8th Jan 2013 09:46 in reply to "Why does HTML5 exist?"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

It is unbelievable, and further reinforces the notion that Google is systematically locking out competing platforms.

I'm interested in how some of you will spin this.

The same way you spin Microsoft Exchange's 'enterprise' lock-in. It's called hypocrisy.

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RE: Why does HTML5 exist?
by WarpKat on Thu 10th Jan 2013 20:39 in reply to "Why does HTML5 exist?"
WarpKat Member since:
2006-02-06

Probably because Webkit supports HTML5 much better than IE?

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