Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 8th Jan 2013 23:27 UTC
Windows So, a rudimentary jailbreak for Windows RT made its way onto the web these past few days. Open source applications were ported right away, and it was confirmed that Windows RT is the full Windows - it's exactly the same as regular Windows, except that it runs on ARM. Microsoft responded to the jailbreak as well.
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RE[2]: Comment by saso
by saso on Wed 9th Jan 2013 14:40 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by saso"
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1. Firstly, and most importantly; Microsoft Office. Corporate users live and breathe MS Office.

By which of course you mean they live and breathe the proprietary and incompatible MS Office file formats. Not that I dispute your claim, I just felt the need to clarify the situation.

And, while the full office suite isn't available yet on RT, it will be, and that's going to be a huge draw for lots of people.

Future, unannounced and speculated about products aren't valid reasons to purchase a computer now, are they?

2. Microsoft is the only shop in town doing the whole same-experience-on-all-platforms thing. Whether you love or hate it, it's a point of differentiation.

Er, not really. Android on phones and tablets is already converged and it's just a question of when it will make the hop to even larger computing platforms still (a step it has arguably already taken - plenty of tablets allow HDMI output and keyboard+mouse input and the results work quite alright).

3. Look and feel. The metro (or whatever it's called now) desktop is great on mobile devices. They have the best integration with social media, and it's a pleasure to use.

This is all great, but it's subjective and it's not something that will force users to do a platform and ecosystem change. "We believe feature X is 5% better on our devices!" isn't something that will get average Joe's attention. For that you have to have total killers, something nobody else can do at all (e.g. Android's openness, low price, different handset styles, Apple's polish, cool factor, etc.). From what I can see Microsoft is trying to literally poise themselves in between the two, but if you're just a tiny dude between two heavyweights, chances are you'll just get squashed.

And no, I don't work for Microsoft! :-)

And I totally believe you.. ;) (just kidding)

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RE[3]: Comment by saso
by HappyGod on Wed 9th Jan 2013 23:35 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by saso"
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Future, unannounced and speculated about products aren't valid reasons to purchase a computer now, are they?


Do you really, seriously believe that MS will not port their primary draw, and second most profitable piece of software to the platform?

I mean they are currently working on metrofying Office already! It's pretty obvious.

Er, not really. Android on phones and tablets is already converged and it's just a question of when it will make the hop to even larger computing platforms still (a step it has arguably already taken - plenty of tablets allow HDMI output and keyboard+mouse input and the results work quite alright).


Future, unannounced and speculated about products aren't valid reasons to purchase a computer now, are they?

This is all great, but it's subjective and it's not something that will force users to do a platform and ecosystem change.


Notice how I never said that it would. The OP asked why anyone would possibly buy a Win8 device over the competition. I provided some reasons why they might

Edited 2013-01-09 23:36 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by saso
by saso on Thu 10th Jan 2013 01:32 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by saso"
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Do you really, seriously believe that MS will not port their primary draw, and second most profitable piece of software to the platform?
I mean they are currently working on metrofying Office already! It's pretty obvious.

We can both speculate all day long about what Microsoft is or isn't going to do with their primary cash cows, but how their effort is going to turn out is an altogether different matter. They already tried to bolt on some touch control on the Office shipped in Surface RT and it's been a bucket of fail so far. The desktop environment was included merely as a lazy patch simply for this huge fuckup - beside the purpose-built Metro interface it sticks out like a sore thumb, and it shows (lack of screen rotation, tiny GUI elements on windows that were clearly made for mouse, etc.). I'm not saying they won't try, it's just that I don't see the Windows RT killer app yet (and by "killer app" I mean the feature/piece of software/something for which you'd be willing to buy the whole platform to get it - without it, any market newcomer is dead in the water). As such, the downsides seem to far outweigh the upsides of buying into Windows RT, for now.

"Er, not really. Android on phones and tablets is already converged and it's just a question of when it will make the hop to even larger computing platforms still (a step it has arguably already taken - plenty of tablets allow HDMI output and keyboard+mouse input and the results work quite alright).

Future, unannounced and speculated about products aren't valid reasons to purchase a computer now, are they?
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Except that I'm not advocating for buying Android devices because of future nebulous promises (which is all that you were able to provide), but because of stuff already delivered right now (openness, huge app store, low price offerings, wide variety of hardware form factors). Also, Android has been shipping with "desktop" mode for more than a year already (have you tried the Asus Transformer?). But hey, why bother thinking your arguments through - let's face it, it's work.

Notice how I never said that it would. The OP asked why anyone would possibly buy a Win8 device over the competition. I provided some reasons why they might

No, I (the OP) asked what added value Microsoft's solutions bring to the table. You presented a few ideas, and they're neat, sure enough, but as yet unrealized, and as such, not really reason to buy into the platform. And when I showed to you that most of what you perceive as Microsoft future advantage has either already been realized by their competition (e.g. Android on the "desktop"), or is largely irrelevant to buyers (marginally better social media integration).

Of course, if we frame the question as "anything that might persuade somebody", then you could say that having Microsoft's logo on a computer is cool to some people, and you'd be right. But it wouldn't answer what added value Microsoft brings to the game.

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