Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 19th Jan 2013 14:22 UTC
Opera Software This is actually pretty big news - both exciting and tragic at the same time. Opera has revealed Opera Ice, its next mobile browser, to PocketLint. This new browser represent a big shift in both user interface as well as rendering engine, since it has a new, unique interface, as well as a new rendering engine... New to Opera, that is, as it's a WebKit-browser.
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Used to be my favourite bit of software...
by Dave_K on Mon 21st Jan 2013 14:31 UTC
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...not just my favourite web browser, but my favourite piece of software ever, for any platform.

I loved using Opera because it was feature rich and extremely flexible, with great tools for managing multiple pages and sources of information. Even with various extensions and add-ons no other browsers are quite in its class. Thinking back, I'm sure some of my first posts here at OS News were a fanboy defence of Opera's UI.

Unfortunately, in my opinion, it went off the rails a good few years ago. From my perspective Opera Software couldn't have done a much better job of ruining the browser if they'd sat down with me, made a list of the things I liked most about it, then systematically worked to break every single one.

I had still been trying new versions when they were released, hoping that eventually the bugs would be fixed and broken features restored. I guess now I know why that hasn't happened.

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tails92 Member since:

Seconded. I started using Opera when they made it free and for a lot of time it was the browser I used. It was much more lightweight and responsive than Firefox back in the day, and while it had some broken features, the most broken of which I remember being the cookie management, the positive side of the Opera browser made you ignore those shortcomings. I liked it over Firefox so much that even if I was a NetBSD user, I would install the Linux emulation environment mainly to use Opera.
Then, Opera 10 came and it was never quite like what it used to be. It began to use a lot of memory, it began to crash frequently and if left in use for some time with a lot of tabs open it would even start to leak memory. Crashes due to broken JavaScript code are *not* acceptable.
I switched to Firefox for the time being, which at least, is better than the last Opera versions.
But I don't like the memory hog that Firefox is, and I really want to switch to something much more lightweight, say, NetSurf.

The fact that the Android version, and not just the iOS one, is using WebKit is the nail in the coffin for everything unique Opera Software had to offer. At this point, if they do not intend to develop the Opera engine further, at least they could open source it, WebKit is open source as well anyway.

Edited 2013-01-21 15:46 UTC

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PresentIt Member since:

I remember reading the exact same comment you are writing now, only it was about Opera 6, then Opera 7, and then Opera 8...

Every version brings someone who insists that "Opera has lost its way." Pretty hilarious.

How can Presto be the only unique thing Opera offers, by the way? You can't even tell which layout engine the browser is using. It's something the user never thinks about.

It's just silly to claim that Presto is the only unique thing Opera offers. Ignoring the UI is just ignorant and lame.

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PresentIt Member since:

There will always be some guy somewhere who hates whatever is the latest version of whatever application you are looking at. I remember reading comments on Opera back in 2001 or so, and people were talking about how Opera had "lost its way" even back then. Opera was soo buggy, and it was much better before 2000, and so on. It's pretty funny to read the exact same comments year after year, when someone else has figured out that they don't like something so they become drama queens about it.

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Dave_K Member since:

There will always be some guy somewhere who hates whatever is the latest version of whatever application you are looking at.

I never stated that it was anything other than a personal opinion. People use software in different ways, so are effected differently by significant changes to that software.

In my experience, people like you who complain about complaints are just as likely to kick up a fuss when it's your favourite features that are broken.

A solution to this would be for developers not to make radical changes to the UI without allowing customisation, not to break useful existing features, and to fix newly introduced bugs quickly and efficiently. In my opinion Opera Software have failed pretty miserably at that.

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