Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 20th Jan 2013 23:42 UTC
Ever since I bought my HTC HD7 way back in October 2010, I have been hooked on Windows Phone. Without even being able to test-drive the new operating system (The Netherlands didn't get Windows Phone 7 until a year later), I imported the HD7 from the US - the minimalist, stark, clean, flat, and textual interface spoke to me, and I just knew I would like it. And like it, I did.
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RE[8]: Comment by Beerfloat
by maccouch on Tue 22nd Jan 2013 15:46
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To expand on this: you do realise that the first windows couldn't be acted upon at all, right? They couldn't be moved or overlapped - heck, they didn't even have visible boundaries!
do you mean the first Graphical User interfaces? That's why the writer in the wimp article and all of the other commenters make a definition between a GUI and WIMP. THe WIMP definitions is contained in a GUI Environment and each indivual windows contain themselves a GUI for their individual program, but you can't simply reverse the logic.
the first programs with fullscreen, if i understood correctly what you said, were not a "WIndows, icons, menus pointers". They were just GUi for individual programs.
RE[9]: Comment by Beerfloat
by zima on Fri 25th Jan 2013 17:09
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Member since:2005-07-06
In the first release of Windows, 1.0, windows couldn't be overlapped...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Windows1.0.png (apparently except for this "About" window)
RE[8]: Comment by Beerfloat
by Beerfloat on Tue 22nd Jan 2013 15:56
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Words take meaning from being useful symbols for concepts. You want to reduce the meaning of the computing concept known as the window to include screens, tabs, cards, views, printouts, and anything else you feel like? I don't agree, but I'd like to point out you're missing an opportunity here to be even more obtuse. Why not just call everything 'things'?
RE[9]: Comment by Beerfloat
by dragossh on Tue 22nd Jan 2013 18:42
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No, he's arguing that mobile UIs do contain what we usually think of as "windows, icons, menus" except the windows are full screen. It's the same as OS X's full screen mode, which makes a window chromeless and take over a screen.
I'd also argue that cards *are* indeed windows: you could even open more than one card per app in webOS.
You are right in the sense that each screen in a touch app is a view, but so is the window content in a desktop app. It's really the same technology, but with a slightly different presentation and marketed to sound like it's new ... almost like cloud computing.
RE[9]: Comment by Beerfloat
by kwan_e on Wed 23rd Jan 2013 00:00
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Words take meaning from being useful symbols for concepts. You want to reduce the meaning of the computing concept known as the window to include screens, tabs, cards, views, printouts, and anything else you feel like? I don't agree, but I'd like to point out you're missing an opportunity here to be even more obtuse. Why not just call everything 'things'?
Does a glasshouse have windows?
It also applies the other way, when you disqualify something from belonging in a class of objects for completely arbitrary criteria (as you have done), then the class is also meaningless. A class that exists defined by how many things are not in it is useless.
Distinction without difference.
RE[8]: Comment by Beerfloat
by zima on Fri 25th Jan 2013 17:30
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To expand on this: you do realise that the first windows couldn't be acted upon at all, right? They couldn't be moved or overlapped - heck, they didn't even have visible boundaries!
That almost seems like you're describing Windows 1.0?... ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_1.0 )
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Linked by Thom Holwerda on 05/25/13 0:45 UTC
"So in summary... Google has pulled the plug on support on a protocol they've helped popularize, after years of promising interoperability, for reasons that are dubious at best, and in a way that leaves people who don't jump to the new Hangouts app unable to talk to their contacts without any feedback that their IMs aren't getting through... And they've done that with no warning to anyone. I imagine there's a bunch of people out there wondering where some of their buddies have gone, or why their messages aren't getting responses, because this isn't documented anywhere." Google really messed this up. Such a dick move.
Linked by Thom Holwerda on 05/24/13 23:59 UTC
The Tizen Greek Community has some screenshots of a very recent build of Tizen running on a Samsung GT-i8800. It looks wholly unremarkable.
Linked by Thom Holwerda on 05/24/13 22:33 UTC
Joint statement to The Next Web from Microsoft and Google: "Microsoft and YouTube are working together to update the new YouTube for Windows Phone app to enable compliance with YouTube's API terms of service, including enabling ads, in the coming weeks. Microsoft will replace the existing YouTube app in Windows Phone Store with the previous version during this time." Good to know these children stopped acting like little pricks. Can we have full Google support in Windows 8 now, please?
Linked by Howard Fosdick on 05/24/13 21:41 UTC
Yahoo is acquiring Tumblr, the microblogging and social networking website, for $1.1 billion USD. Tumblr offers little revenue but lots of eyeballs if Yahoo can monetarize them. Now Yahoo is bidding for Hulu, the streaming video service. After years of ineffective responses while Google, Facebook, and others took large chunks of the online advertising market, Yahoo is fighting back. Can Yahoo reignite the momentum it had at the turn of the century? What do you think?
Linked by Thom Holwerda on 05/24/13 14:44 UTC
"Sources have described iOS 7 as 'black, white, and flat all over'. This refers to the dropping of heavy textures and the addition of several new black and white user interface elements." I couldn't be happier.
Linked by Thom Holwerda on 05/23/13 23:22 UTC
"Ilja van Sprundel, a security researcher with IOActive, has discovered a large number of issues in the way various X client libraries handle the responses they receive from servers, and has worked with X.Org's security team to analyze, confirm, and fix these issues."
Linked by Thom Holwerda on 05/23/13 22:04 UTC
"Google is facing a new antitrust probe by the U.S. Federal Trade Commission into whether the company is using its leadership in the online display-advertising market to illegally curb competition, people familiar with the matter said." Sucks to be Google today, apparently.
Linked by Thom Holwerda on 05/23/13 22:01 UTC
"In the midst of the major press blitz surrounding its annual I/O Conference, Google dropped some unfortunate news about its instant messaging plans. In several places around the web, the company is replacing the existing 'Talk' platform with a new one called 'Hangouts' that sharply diminishes support for the open messaging protocol known as XMPP (or sometimes informally Jabber), and also removes the option to disable the archiving of all chat communications. These changes represent a switch from open protocols to proprietary ones, and a clear step backward for many users." That's why I always say: only suckers trust companies.
Linked by Thom Holwerda on 05/23/13 17:52 UTC
"The wave of departures is a sign of internal struggle, but amidst all the bad news, there is a glimmer of hope. According to an anonymous HTC executive cited by WSJ, the crucial HTC One is selling 'pretty good so far'. The executive revealed that HTC sold about five million One units since launch, a performance that is deemed encouraging. However, sales have been limited by the persisting supply issues that still plague the production of the HTC One." Finally some good news for HTC. Five million units amidst supply constraints is very impressive.
Linked by Thom Holwerda on 05/22/13 22:23 UTC
"Sony gave the PS4 50% more raw shader performance, plain and simple (768 SPs @ 800MHz vs. 1152 SPs & 800MHz). Unlike last generation, you don't need to be some sort of Jedi to extract the PS4's potential here. The Xbox One and PS4 architectures are quite similar, Sony just has more hardware under the hood. Weâll have to wait and see how this hardware delta gets exposed in games over time, but the gap is definitely there. The funny thing about game consoles is that itâs usually the lowest common denominator that determines the bulk of the experience across all platforms. On the plus side, the Xbox One should enjoy better power/thermal characteristics compared to the PlayStation 4. Even compared to the Xbox 360 we should see improvement in many use cases thanks to modern power management techniques." AnandTech does its usual in-depth thing.More News »
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To expand on this: you do realise that the first windows couldn't be acted upon at all, right? They couldn't be moved or overlapped - heck, they didn't even have visible boundaries!
The gist of what I'm trying to make clear to you: just because you can't think beyond the type of window Windows or Mac OS X gives you doesn't mean that is, by definition, the only kind of window.
To beat this dead horse again: just because modern cars virtually all have airbags doesn't mean the airbag is what defines a car. For a long period of time, windows didn't have all the features you arbitrarily require of it today to be called a "window", and in fact, the Wikipedia definition recognizes this:
"In computing, a window is a visual area containing some kind of user interface. It usually has a rectangular shape that can overlap with the area of other windows. It displays the output of and may allow input to one or more processes."
Edited 2013-01-22 15:42 UTC