Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 25th Jan 2013 14:20 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Buried deep within Nokia's press release about its financial results, there's a line that pretty much signals the end of one of the most popular and successful mobile operating systems in history. With Nokia retiring its use, Symbian is no more.
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RE[3]: market share!
by cdude on Sat 26th Jan 2013 10:13 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: market share!"
cdude
Member since:
2008-09-21

ANYTHING can happen.


And it did happen...

Nokia loss dramatic marketshare


and 2 years and 2 failed Windows Phone tries later...

There is plenty of marketshare to go


Near all of the market share to be exact. What means the Lumia strategy did not worked out, failed miserable 2 times and within that 2 years market share fall down to a rounding error. Consequence will be that strategy is changed and then indeed...

I think its unwise to assume that Nokia will never return


They can return to say 20% OR MORE like they had before that strategy for decades depending on how the new strategy works out.

Edited 2013-01-26 10:16 UTC

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RE[4]: market share!
by Nelson on Sat 26th Jan 2013 10:54 in reply to "RE[3]: market share!"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

I'm sorry, but your comment just isn't coherent. Nokia has actually shown modest growth in their Lumia lineup both YoY and QoQ. I'm unsure what you mean that they've failed.

Failed to capture a majority marketshare? I could've told you that in 2011. Mobile growth like this doesn't happen overnight when you need to bootstrap a brand and an ecosystem.

What Nokia has needed since day 1 has been to be in a better financial situation (They are in one now) so that they can iterate on Lumia and establish mindshare.

Window Phone marketshare in Europe is surging, varying from 6-12% depending on the region. The two biggest difficulties are the US Market and China.

US I think they'll see decent sequential increases if the rumors are true and they launch a flagship on Verizon.

China it depends on how they execute, but I'm optimistic.

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RE[5]: market share!
by cdude on Sat 26th Jan 2013 13:59 in reply to "RE[4]: market share!"
cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

Mobile growth like this doesn't happen overnight


First its 2 years.

Second 2 years are a full turnaround circle in mobile where contracts run in maximum 2 years.

Theird in that 2 years Nokia went down from having twice the sells of its nearest rival to having 1/10 of it. From number #1 to not being in the top #10 any longer.

Forth that 2 years where more then enough for Samsung to turn from a second hand manufactor to number 1. And enough for Nokia to be done,

Fifth in that two long years Nokia not failed once but twice! First with WP7 Lumia and now with WP8 Lumia again.

What Nokia has needed since day 1 has been to be in a better financial situation


To continue burning a billion dollar each quarter* till it works out eventually with WP42 Lumia (or not)?

* and sell crown-jewels like your headquarter, patents and firing half your employees.

they can iterate on Lumia and establish mindshare.


How much years, billions of dollars and iterations you need while staying somewhere between 1% and 2% market share (1% Symbian removed) to realize: its not working out! ?

As if HTC's downfall when they switched to WP wasn't warning enough. Sanyo anyone?

Change strategy else all money in this world will not be enough.

Window Phone marketshare in Europe is surging


Yeah, same BS you tell since years. Its declining in all huge markets. China? 100.000 sold units. US? 700.000 sold units. Germany? Half of Q3. Russia? Lost.

That Nokia dumped all there WP7 Lumia inventory for free to italy and brazil to spin the % market share number is typical. Lose million of $ to look good for some minutes and impress simple minds and hope nobody notices when a quarter later its down again.

You not remember that just some months ago you repated here the story that Lumia is a hit in US as shown by the Amazon charts? You not remember your stand its a hit in China and outsells everything else cause Nokia-representatives say so? Come on, don't fall for such cheap PR-tricks again and again, Nelson. Look at the key-markets, the global market share. Be a bit more clever then that, okay?

Edited 2013-01-26 14:19 UTC

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