Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 13th Feb 2013 13:21 UTC
Opera Software De kogel is door de kerk: as we already talked about earlier, Opera is going to switch to the WebKit engine, leaving its own Presto rendering engine behind. We didn't yet know if they would the switch only on mobile or on the desktop as well, and they cleared that up too: both mobile and desktop Opera Browsers will switch to the WebKit rendering engine.
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RE[3]: Sad, but understandable
by bassbeast on Thu 14th Feb 2013 20:24 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Sad, but understandable"
bassbeast
Member since:
2007-11-11

Riiight, because they have an unlimited budget and resources and can afford to keep multiple branches going.

sigh, the iFanboys can waste mod points all the want but it won't make straw into gold and we have seen time and time again the undue influence Cupertino has on the web and it needs to be stopped NOW, before we end up with "This site works best on iPad" like we had with IE. Everybody forget the original HTML V5 specs called for open video, either Theora or WebM? Wanna guess why its H.264 now? Because Apple said quite clearly we will ONLY allow H.264 and called their fellow monopoly lovers MSFT and got them on board, thus killing any chance of an open format for patent troll MPEG-LA instead.

No the reason Opera is doing this is they simply have no choice, they have limited resources and keeping two development teams is more than their limited budget can afford and since Apple tries its damnedest to shut down competition and won't allow anything but webkit well that is what we ALL get, like it or not. Its time for an EU or DoJ investigation.

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galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

since Apple tries its damnedest to shut down competition and won't allow anything but webkit well that is what we ALL get


Again... Read my other post in this thread. Apple does NOT allow webkit based browsers in the App Store. They don't allow any application with built-in browser engines. Period.

The only browser on iOS that uses webkit directly is Safari.

Edited 2013-02-14 20:41 UTC

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RE[5]: Sad, but understandable
by Inode on Thu 14th Feb 2013 20:51 in reply to "RE[4]: Sad, but understandable"
Inode Member since:
2006-02-10

What about chrome in AppStore?

Edit: sorry your answer follows (didn't notice) therefore the question can be ignored.

Edited 2013-02-14 20:54 UTC

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bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

so you just proved my point in why they need to be investigated. do you think if MSFT made IE 11 the ONLY browser that would run on win 9 that there wouldn't be an investigation? So why does Apple get a pass when they are influencing the markets no differently than MSFT would in the same sitch?

Again if anybody doesn't think Apple has undue influence all they have to do is look at HTML V5, before Apple said "we will ONLY allow H.264" the standard clearly called for an open codec as the baseline so that ALL could watch videos without tollbooths. Apple comes along and says "You'll do what we say or it won't work on iPhone/ipad" and there goes Theora and open codecs for a patent troll which both Apple and MSFT have a stake in.

seriously what more proof do you need? if it were MSFT doing the exact same thing wouldn't everyone be calling foul?

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PresentIt Member since:
2010-02-10

What do you mean by multiple branches? All they would need to do is to port their cross-platform GUI toolkit to the iPhone... Oops, they already did! So they could easily have used the built-in engine if they wanted to.

Webkit on iOS is also very different from just getting the standard Webkit. The former is made to make it easy to embed into applications, while the latter requires you to build everything else yourself.

So again: If it was just about iOS they could use Webkit there and Presto everywhere else.

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atsureki Member since:
2006-03-12

sigh, the iFanboys can waste mod points all the want but it won't make straw into gold and we have seen time and time again the undue influence Cupertino has on the web and it needs to be stopped NOW, before we end up with "This site works best on iPad" like we had with IE. Everybody forget the original HTML V5 specs called for open video, either Theora or WebM? Wanna guess why its H.264 now? Because Apple said quite clearly we will ONLY allow H.264 and called their fellow monopoly lovers MSFT and got them on board, thus killing any chance of an open format for patent troll MPEG-LA instead.


> called their fellow monopoly lovers
> fellow monopoly
> fellow
> monopoly

Take a deep breath and listen to yourself.

This isn't Apple exerting force. This is Opera losing the speed advantage they had in the legacy IE/Firefox days, and instead being relegated to a fan favorite for their unique approach to UX. So they decide to save some time and money by falling in line behind the rendering engine that outran them, which they can do because it is open source (i.e., Apple does not control its destiny, except to the extent the will of the market allows).

Meanwhile, the iBooks price fixing scandal was trumped up if not outright invented. Hamstringing the Kindle app with their in-app purchase shenanigans was scummy, but allowing the publishers to set ebook prices, while certainly not as consumer-friendly as Amazon's policy of aggressive undercutting, is also far less monopoly-friendly. Amazon is the 800 lb gorilla when it comes to controlling the prices of books and pricing competitors out of the market.

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