Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 19th Apr 2013 09:31 UTC
Windows "Many PC OEMs are dissatisfied with what Microsoft has done with Windows 8 and the way the company has handled the negative response to the operating system. Privately, one OEM source told me that Microsoft is 'destroying' the PC industry, while another claimed that Windows 8 has 'handed over millions of customers to Apple'. Other OEMs are making their displeasure known publicly. Both Lenovo and Samsung have released Start button replacements for Windows 8." Windows Phone isn't the only thing not catching on. I'm really happy with my Surface RT - warts and all - but there's no denying the response to Windows 8 has been Vista-esque bad.
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RE: Nail in the coffin for the PC?
by hhas on Fri 19th Apr 2013 11:52 UTC in reply to "Nail in the coffin for the PC?"
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People seem to constantly claim that the death of the PC is near, that tablets and other mobile devices will be the future and that there is no more room for the PC.

The only people claiming that are fools, click-whores and obvious straw-men. Of course it's nonsense. The PC will not die for exactly the reason you describe: it is a general-purpose platform that can be turned to almost any task. What intelligent predictors are saying is that the size of the PC market is going to shrink by a large percentage until the only people who still own PCs are those that actually need them. Ordinary consumers used to buy PCs not because they were the best platform for performing their desired tasks, but because they were the only platform available.

Vendors like MS and Apple were all too happy to market PCs and PC OSes as 'consumer' products, even though they really weren't appropriate to consumer needs (e.g. the fortress wall security model, which is fine on professionally administered servers and locked-down business networks, but has not surprisingly proven utterly unsuited to the home market. It's very easy for geeks to blame "stupid lusers" for infecting their "stupid computers", but really it's the vendors' fault for selling mad-bad Zondas to ordinary folks-off-the-street who only need a Lacetti to putter down the the shops and back every day. It's no surprise they frequently leave holes in the wall: those high-end supercars require considerable skill and experience to drive safely. And most folks have far more pressing and productive stuff to do in their lives than devote the next two years to professional race-driver school just to pick up a carton of milk.

And now we do have proper consumer-oriented OSes on the rise, it's only a matter of time before regular consumers find that they no longer need to purchase a PC when a cheap, lightweight platform that's much better optimized to their particular tasks takes care of all their day-to-day tasks. Phones and tablets have already usurped PCs as the aspirational good for mass-market consumers, so those consumers will no longer buy PCs simply because they want them, only when they need them. Which is far less often and in much smaller numbers.

BTW, the PC vendors can kvetch all they like about the PC market's decline, but they are the ones who commoditized the product in the first place, reducing it from glamorous must-have gizmo to just another boring white good. So a good chunk of this sea change is actually their own doing.

Sooner or later, businesses are going to follow consumer trends: after all, why buy a clunky power-sucking $200 desktop hog for every one of your employees when a simple, robust $30 PC-on-a-stick can do everything that 90% of those employees' jobs require. It's just a matter of time until MS or some other vendor builds out the necessary infrastructure to make the whole kaboodle - network servers, user terminals, local software, remote desktops, administration tools, etc. - a slick turnkey product that medium-to-large business can drop into their networks with minimum fuss.

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t's just a matter of time until MS or some other vendor builds out the necessary infrastructure to make the whole kaboodle - network servers, user terminals, local software, remote desktops, administration tools, etc. - a slick turnkey product that medium-to-large business can drop into their networks with minimum fuss.

Memories of green phosphor terminals start coming back to my mind...

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hhas Member since:

Memories of green phosphor terminals start coming back to my mind...

:) Except a 30 dollar stick now has enough processing power that you can push down a complete chunk of front-end functionality to run on it, avoiding the old constant back-n-forth between terminal and server, or even put full applications permanently on it, e.g. for tasks like word processing.

The old beige box with its CD drives, spinny disks, chunky PSU and board full of wasted slots is essentially obsolete tech where general business computing is concerned. The problem is that the software has yet to catch up with hardware advances. But as with traditional consumer computing, a lot of folks are using those boxes not because they're the best option but because they're the only option, so once better options do eventually arise then expect them to bail quite quickly too.

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I think you are wrong and here is why...billions in Windows software that everybody uses. trust me running a little shop i see it every day, from the Windows games (which made over 20 billion last year and has helped Valve to double their profit every year for 7 years in a row) to that software your aunt uses to make the flyers for the church social it ALL runs on Windows.

But if you would have talked to me or any other shop owner or worker back in 2007? We were ALL saying that there was gonna be a major slowdown NOT because people didn't want computers or were throwing out that 27 inch screen for a 7 inch tablet, no what happened is that PCs became more powerful than what 90% of the masses needed. I mean I haven't even built anything less than a triple core in over 4 years because the chips are so cheap, but what software has kept up?

Other than a few tiny niches like CAD none, even gaming doesn't stress that $45 USD Athlon triple and again I should know as I have built several nice gaming HTPCs using the Athlon triple and it plays the mainstream games great. heck look at me, from 94-07 I built myself a PC every year and a half and built my boys something every 3 years, why? because thanks to the MHz war and how easy it is to take advantage of a faster clock speed on a single core the PCs would be struggling on the latest and greatest after a year and by two years they were seriously laggy. I mean check out my current specs and remember i built my system on the cheap so I have MAYBE $650 in the whole smash..X6 1035T hexacore, 8GB of DDR 2 800, 3TB of HDD space and an HD4850.. You could now build a similar system for around $450...who is gonna stress that monster out? Heck who is gonna stress that Athlon triple out doing their day to day tasks, even with heavy multitasking?

So I can tell you its not about the consumer switching to a tablet, in fact its just the opposite as nearly everyone I know, no matter how poor, has multiple PCs and see no reason to replace them...which is kinda the point. When you can fricking pick up dual cores sitting on the side of the road and RAM is so cheap why should you buy a new one before the old one dies? During the MHz war all the software was keeping up with the hardware so you really had no choice but to buy...tell me what software that normal folks use daily wouldn't run quite well on that AM2 Athlon X2 I'm using as a netbox at the shop? There simply isn't any "killer app" that will make someone go "Well I gotta toss my PC" anymore.

Oh and you can give up on ARM friend, they are gonna be in the same boat as X86 in less than 2 years, Samsung is testing a hexacore, Nvidia is shipping pentacores, ARM just doesn't scale well. Not to mention there is ALWAYS at least one program that is mission critical that requires Windows, this is what I can never seem to get FOSS advocates to understand. Sure if you are talking about a coffee shop or library then a Linux plug will do the trick, everybody else? not gonna have it if it can't run their software, just as MSFT about their WinRT sales.

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