Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 12:10 UTC
Windows The Verge confirms an earlier story by Mary Jo Foley. "Microsoft is preparing to revive the traditional Start button it killed with Windows 8. Sources familiar with Microsoft's plans have revealed to The Verge that Windows 8.1 will include the return of the Start button. We understand that the button will act as a method to simply access the Start Screen, and will not include the traditional Start Menu. The button is said to look near-identical to the existing Windows flag used in the Charm bar."
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RE[3]: Comment by MOS6510
by avgalen on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 16:33 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510"
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Where did you hear about those changes in the Windows Runtime?

Do you have any source for this "more parity, but not parity yet" between W8.1 and WP8.1? It is unfortunately also what I think is going to happen but I haven't read anything about this from a reliable source. I still can't believe that these 2 platforms now share a kernel but can't run the same apps, while "infinite application compatibility" has always been the strong point of Windows. It would just help them so much to get developers on board.

All these complaints about the startscreen would automatically go away if there were actually lots of interesting apps so people would have a reason to use "Modern" instead of "Desktop"

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RE[4]: Comment by MOS6510
by Nelson on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 17:15 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by MOS6510"
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I know there has to be more I just haven't had the time to run Windows.winmd through an IL decompiler yet.

The parity with WP8.1 and Win8.1 is just my intuition based on where they went with WP8.

I'm similarly disappointed but it would've been a huge haul to port the brand new Windows.UI.Xaml stack to Windows Phone 8 at the same at as Windows 8. I don't think the teams worked in concert to that extent yet. Maybe now they do, but certainly back then things had to be on a hectic schedule which explains why the WP8 SDK took so long to come out.

I think we'll see common sense things like non-PCL HttpClient, some more WinRT APIs like Windows.Storage and some work around the margins like WebAuthenticationBroker and other key scenarios.

I don't expect to be running on top of native WinRT XAML for WP8.1 though, that is too many platform shifts in a small period of time. Porting WP8 apps to the new WinRT XAML stack would prove non trivial.

I mean maybe they could get part of the way there with PCL and Type Forwarding but I dont' know if they'll go down that path.

I also would value integration of the two Dev Centers which are similar but separate. It should just be one experience.

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RE[5]: Comment by MOS6510
by avgalen on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 19:00 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by MOS6510"
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Thanks for that link. I love reading OSNews, but I got sad when a site that is all about Operating Systems focusses purely on a button and that "it looks near-identical to blablabla" instead of digging into what the OS is actually about.

I don't know why Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 weren't more synchronised in their development. I am sure they will get synchronised and that we will eventually have 1 development target and 1 appstore, but just like you I don't think 8.1 will bring that already.

Let's hope for articles with more meat and less whining in the future

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