Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 25th May 2013 00:45 UTC
Google "So in summary... Google has pulled the plug on support on a protocol they've helped popularize, after years of promising interoperability, for reasons that are dubious at best, and in a way that leaves people who don't jump to the new Hangouts app unable to talk to their contacts without any feedback that their IMs aren't getting through... And they've done that with no warning to anyone. I imagine there's a bunch of people out there wondering where some of their buddies have gone, or why their messages aren't getting responses, because this isn't documented anywhere." Google really messed this up. Such a dick move.
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WereCatf
Member since:
2006-02-15

No, I'm saying that there is no problem with explaining and trying to teach someone the benefits of an open service (in fact that's a good thing), but if they're far too dense for anything to ever sink in then there is no point in wasting an excessive amount of time and energy on them. Or in other words: Do what you can, but don't waste your energy fighting a losing battle. Other people might just be more open to something less advertised, so why bother with those people who you know are far too stubborn to ever switch, let alone even care that there is an alternative? Talking to some people is literally like trying to talk to a brick wall; pointless. It's these kinds of people I'm talking about.


And as I said, that attitude serves no one except the elitists themselves. If you only care about converting the converted you're doing nothing but serve yourself. The unwashed masses don't care unless you give them a reason to care and if you refuse to seek a way to do that then it's pointless to complain how they won't make the switch, you'll always end up holding the losing end.

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UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

Hey, if someone wants to go their own way and keep using their own proprietary IM protocol of choice, and I just say "go on ahead then," then how exactly is leaving them alone and making their own (often misinformed) choice only helping me? That's one less person I'll have on my "buddy list" or whatever you want to call it to bullshit with, and they'll continue to use whatever it is that they used to begin with. How exactly is that a win for me? It seems to me like the win would have been handed to the person who refused to be persuaded from the way I look at it.

I see it as simply a choice, one that I don't mind telling people the basics of and recommending that they at least give it a try, but if they don't like it and want to switch back, then why does it matter to me? And why would I want to find some way to basically force something onto someone else when they downright refuse? I mean, seriously, I like open standards--but I'm not going to go out of my way and make a game out of it, trying to force everyone I can to switch. In the end, it's their loss. Or win, depending on how you look at it--maybe they really do have too many people on their list who would be out of contact if they switched. Never know.

Win, loss--it all has different meanings in different contexts, and I'd prefer to neatly sidestep that mess and just call it what it really is in the end: a choice. One that, like any other, in not worth dedicating you life to trying to enforce, to the point where you're actually taking away choice. If in the end they choose to live in a sandbox, then fine with me. It's really up to them in the end.

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

How exactly is that a win for me?


Because you get to feel the rush of superiority, you get to claim you're better than them and if they don't follow you they don't even deserve anything better.

but if they don't like it and want to switch back, then why does it matter to me?


Then why complain in the first place about the situation at all? You want XMPP or some other open protocol to become the de facto standard and you want interoperability you gotta work for it, simple as that. Complaining about it and then refusing to do anything about by claiming the higher ground and superiority don't help none, it only makes you feel good 'bout yourself. The proprietary stuff ain't gonna disappear in a poof of pixie dust unless you make something so much better that it can't compete anymore.

Win, loss--it all has different meanings in different contexts, and I'd prefer to neatly sidestep that mess and just call it what it really is in the end: a choice. One that, like any other, in not worth dedicating you life to trying to enforce, to the point where you're actually taking away choice. If in the end they choose to live in a sandbox, then fine with me. It's really up to them in the end.


We wouldn't have e.g. Firefox and open web standards if everyone thought like that, you know? Mozilla - devs went out of their way to try to make the superior product and try to make it appeal to the common man and boy, it sure did take a lot of effort. That effort did pay off and it just keeps on giving.

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