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Windows First looks at Windows 'Blue' have revealed an upgrade composed of cosmetic fixes, suggesting that Microsoft may be blowing its chance to turn the tide on Windows 8 blow back, and make good on its promise to truly 'rethink' Windows 8 with the release of Windows Blue. As a result, InfoWorld has issued an open letter to Microsoft to consider Windows 'Red' -- what InfoWorld is calling a 'serious plan' to fix the flaws of Windows 8, one that could rescue Microsoft's currently flagging promise to deliver a modern computing experience on both PCs and tablets.
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RE[7]: Flawed process
by Nelson on Tue 4th Jun 2013 23:17 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Flawed process"
Nelson
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2005-11-29


Growth rates/sales leads without overall sales figures are meaningless for someone interested in an objective understanding of a specific situation. However, they can be a "hindrance" for specific pro/con corporate narratives, so I can understand your confusion.


Cut the self righteous bullshit, you dodge saying what you actually mean for two comments. There is no confusion, only your deliberate ambiguity.

Now that you've given me an answer I can work with:
The point was to show that Microsoft's console has had consumer acceptance. Sony's console having consumer acceptance as well is irrelevant. It was addressing the speculation that the XBox One would fail in the market.

You conflate this with me wanting to show Microsoft is ahead in comparison to Sony, but that's your own fault. I suspected as much, but wanted you to actually admit it, given your propensity for complaining about straw men.


Sony has done plenty with the PS3, just not in the US market. E.g.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/17/sony-japan-blends-the-torne-ps3-...


A TV Tuner does not a living room push make. This is nice, but really, the promise of the living room is more than that.

The future of entertainment is interactive in a sense, you can look at how XBox Live handled the Presidential Debates or the Election Center experiences. The seamless melding of live TV and interactive content are the future here.

The 360 did this to an extent with personalized experiences for various content providers.


I wouldn't call a few quarters in a row, the "eve" of an event. But it seems you just want it to have it both ways; ignore the overall slowdown of the console market adoption rates


I don't ignore it, in fact, I acknowledge it and give specific reasons for why it is happening. Do not misrepresent my position. The fact of the matter is that these consoles are almost a decade old.

How are Sony's sales holding up along the same time period? I'm curious.

while at the same time heralding a supposed take over of the living room by consoles (or a specific console in this case).


A slowdown has nothing to do with volume that's already shipped, and doesn't take away from the experience and head start in content negotiation that Microsoft has.


For example, the PS2 outsold the 360 and PS3 combined. So one could very well reach the conclusion that the heyday of consoles is past.


You might be right, when it comes to consoles as we know them. Of course, you've just stumbled on the reason why Microsoft deemphasized gaming on the XBox One.


I am not claiming that is the case, but I'm just providing a counter argument to your expectation of the "living room" being taken over by a specific console.


No, I do think it is the case. However that doesn't stop the living room from being taken over by a console which also has living room capabilities. Microsoft themselves, as I noted before, have said that half of their use on Xbox Live has been by people using it for entertainment. That's significant.

What we're witnessing is merely a convergence of devices. I'm pretty sure the PMP Market dried up too, but that didn't stop the iPhone (which coincidentally played music) from cornering the next big thing (the phone market). Its very much analogous to our situation with pure gaming and entertainment. They're becoming one in the same.


Again, that is your qualitative very personal and subjective opinion.


Oh come on. Just look: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/partners

Microsoft has a significant amount of existing content deals.



Sony has plenty of deals with content providers. You can access just about the same content (movies, video shows, music) through the PS store, as you can through xbox live.


Do you have the same scope of content as I just linked above? If so, it'd be interesting to see a link.


I could make the very same case against your claim. Funny that.


You could, but again, that disingenuous thing comes back to bite you in the ass.


Again, you keep assuming your personal opinion amounts to facts somehow. As I said, we know very little to nothing about Sony's overall strategy with the PS4.


And I'm saying I think they've shown most of what they have that's major. Again, like I said, if you're right, and they're some how hiding something amazing (and its been immune to the traditional rumor cycle) then I'll admit you were right. Somehow I strongly doubt it.


That was my point...


Oh, so that is what it was?

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RE[8]: Flawed process
by tylerdurden on Wed 5th Jun 2013 00:07 in reply to "RE[7]: Flawed process"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

LOL, are you OK? I had not idea me providing a counter point to your microsoft sales pitch was going to take your panties into such a wad... relax, dude.

The Xbox One is going to take over every living room, Windows8 is the best operating system in the history of ever, and Nokia's WP strategy is totally turning things around.

There, better?

Edited 2013-06-05 00:16 UTC

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