Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 24th Jun 2013 15:20 UTC, submitted by sheokand
Games Pretty cool stuff: the PlayStation 4 apparently runs on a version of FreeBSD 9.0 modified by Sony and renamed to 'Orbis OS'. Second generation developer kits use GNU GRUB to boot, and allow you to boot into a graphical or a console mode. Not much else is known at this point, but it's a fun bit of information, and perhaps a boon to homebrew developer and hackers.
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Here come the license debates...
by umccullough on Mon 24th Jun 2013 17:35 UTC
umccullough
Member since:
2006-01-26

I'm guessing we're about to see a major backlash from GPL zealots claiming that BSD license allows Sony to take their FOSS and close it/lock it down so that nobody in the FOSS community can benefit from their changes/enhancements.

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

I'm guessing we're about to see a major backlash from GPL zealots claiming that BSD license allows Sony to take their FOSS and close it/lock it down so that nobody in the FOSS community can benefit from their changes/enhancements.


Well, obviously, the BSD-license does allow Sony to just rake in stuff and never contribute. Alas, that's the whole point with the BSD-license and the people who chose the license chose it for a reason. It's irrelevant what GPL-folks think of the matter, they are not the authors of the software being used here.

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umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

It's irrelevant what GPL-folks think of the matter, they are not the authors of the software being used here.


Nope, you're right - but that doesn't seem to stop them ;)

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dnebdal Member since:
2008-08-27

Well, obviously, the BSD-license does allow Sony to just rake in stuff and never contribute. Alas, that's the whole point with the BSD-license and the people who chose the license chose it for a reason. It's irrelevant what GPL-folks think of the matter, they are not the authors of the software being used here.


That's kind of the point, yeah. As of today, there's a non-zero chance of Sony contributing something back, while if FreeBSD was GPL they wouldn't have used it in the first place. It might also benefit the public at large, since it's a better use of resources than Sony trying to reinvent the wheel again.

Now, Sony might certainly decide to contribute exactly nothing back, but that's not really a worse outcome than if they'd used an inhouse or commercial+closed OS in the first place.

Edited 2013-06-24 18:37 UTC

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Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

Check the comments section of the linked article, it's already happening. I threw in my two cents ("kaidenshi") but most people here already know my ambivalence towards GPL.

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wargum Member since:
2006-12-15

I think this is great news for the BSD community, even if Sony doesn't contribute back anything. It still increases mind share in a time where so many eyes are on Linux. BTW, I'm still positive there will be code contributions by Sony developers, at least that is my guess.

Regarding the license, yes, that is interesting too. In many new development frameworks there is a trend in opting for a more liberal license (MIT, BSD, Apache) than GPL. While still somewhat dominant, GPLs influence among FOSS is shrinking steadily. And, may I say, I like that trend.

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gan17 Member since:
2008-06-03

I'd rather be a BSD zealot complaining about the GNU bootloader being employed, but that's just me =P

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

I'd rather be a BSD zealot complaining about the GNU bootloader being employed, but that's just me =P

I must admit I was surprised to see GRUB there. I'm guessing that will be gone by the time consumer devices hit the shelves though (or at least modded so it doesn't look fugly and can't be (accidentally) tampered with by end users).

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Flatland_Spider Member since:
2006-09-01

Phoronix ran this story as well, and the comments are people trashing the BSD license and a DirectX vs OpenGL flamewar. There are some people trying to defend the BSD license, but they're out numbered by the GPL trolls.

These really are trolls. There is one account that keeps getting banned for posting nothing but crap whenever anything BSD related is mentioned.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

We seem to have managed to avoid that here, amazingly. A couple of years ago the flamewars would have been raging hard by now.
Maybe we grew up or the stupid fools moved elsewhere. Either way it's a positive development.

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