Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 26th Jun 2013 16:41 UTC
Windows Microsoft has released the Windows 8.1 preview for download, but they region-locked it to 13 specific languages, and Dutch is not one of them. So, even though my Surface RT has been completely and utterly English from the day I bought it, I can't install Windows 8.1 and tell you something about it. Those of you who can download it, why don't you tell us what it's like - or you can head to The Verge who got early access. In case you couldn't tell, I'm a little annoyed that we're arbitrarily being left out once again.
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RE[7]: Start Button Useless??
by Fergy on Thu 27th Jun 2013 06:08 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Start Button Useless??"
Fergy
Member since:
2006-04-10

I think its hard to argue with the overwhelming amount of statistics and rationale they provided for why they changed things in Windows 8. Their blog posts are immense thickets of words that pretty transparently explain their thought process.

Can you show me the statistics where customers liked loosing a feature that they were actively using? And can you show me the statistics that show having the option between the startscreen and the startmenu is bad?

Think about this: what would have happened if you could download the old startmenu in MS appstore?

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RE[8]: Start Button Useless??
by Nelson on Thu 27th Jun 2013 11:00 in reply to "RE[7]: Start Button Useless??"
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2005-11-29

The rationale for the Start Screen is that Windows 7 users engaged it less as a result of the new Taskbar introduced in Windows 7.

With Windows 8, that idea is expanded upon. You're able to pin your favorite apps to a familiar location, organize them the way you want, and receive at a glance information.

The Start Screen takes over the function of the Taskbar and the Desktop, while the All Apps menu takes over the function of the Start Menu.

The reasoning for this is that the Start Menu was a dumping ground for Search AND App discovery. It was fine for a few results (say 20 or less), but it scaled terribly for more results than that.

In fact, the rest of the screen was unusable when the Start Menu was open. It was essentially a modal dialog taking up a fixed amount of pixels on your screen regardless of the real estate available.

Search is a similar situation. The Start Menu just did not scale to the size of the results.

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RE[9]: Start Button Useless??
by Fergy on Thu 27th Jun 2013 13:28 in reply to "RE[8]: Start Button Useless??"
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

The rationale for the Start Screen is that Windows 7 users engaged it less as a result of the new Taskbar introduced in Windows 7.

With Windows 8, that idea is expanded upon. You're able to pin your favorite apps to a familiar location, organize them the way you want, and receive at a glance information.

The Start Screen takes over the function of the Taskbar and the Desktop, while the All Apps menu takes over the function of the Start Menu.

The reasoning for this is that the Start Menu was a dumping ground for Search AND App discovery. It was fine for a few results (say 20 or less), but it scaled terribly for more results than that.

In fact, the rest of the screen was unusable when the Start Menu was open. It was essentially a modal dialog taking up a fixed amount of pixels on your screen regardless of the real estate available.

Search is a similar situation. The Start Menu just did not scale to the size of the results.


When I start the startscreen it is filled with junk just like the old startmenu. I have not found a way to clean it easily. If it could learn to show my most used programs and settings in categories it might be useful.but it would still mean moving my mouse over my whole 24inch monitor.

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