Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 16th Aug 2013 16:10 UTC
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In the past two months, Microsoft and Google have been bickering over one central issue: HTML5. The Verge has learned that Google is forcing Microsoft to build its YouTube Windows Phone app in HTML5, despite its own Android and iOS versions using superior native code. Although Microsoft has offered to build ad support along with making other tweaks as Google has requested, a full HTML5 app isn't currently possible on the platform.

The difficult thing here is that Google actually has a very good case; it's their API, their service, their rules. On top of that, YouTube publishers - big and small - need to earn money from advertisements too, and incorrect implementations make that harder. Microsoft's mafia practices regarding patents, extorting companies to pay for Android use even though Microsoft has contributed zero code to Android plays a role too. Lastly, Windows Phone is essentially irrelevant with 3% market share - it's not as if Microsoft ever concerned itself with minority platforms.

Still, all this does is hurt consumers, no matter how few Windows Phone users there are. Just work this out, please, you bunch of children.

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by Hiev on Fri 16th Aug 2013 16:55 UTC
Hiev
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Well, I feel disgusted how bad behavior gets condoned, because Google could also apply the same practice to other phones under the 3% market like the SailFish or UbuntuEdge.

So, I welcome to the new old Microsoft, but this time, its name is Google.

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by lucas_maximus on Fri 16th Aug 2013 17:21 in reply to "..."
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Well it always one rule for Microsoft and another rule for everyone else.

There are far shitty tech companies out there than Microsoft which have far worse lock-in.

Tech bloggers and Journalists such as Thom will rarely if ever get exposed to such bastards. I've had to use systems that make Oracle seem nice and cheap in comparison.

I've had to use Systems where they were made in a way where I had to reverse engineer parts of it just to pull the content out in a sane way, or use web scrapers to extract the content failing direct calls to the database.

I would have loved to work with well known proprietary formats.

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by Vanders on Fri 16th Aug 2013 17:50 in reply to "RE: ..."
Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

Well it always one rule for Microsoft and another rule for everyone else.

Except in this case, it isn't. Google have set out the rules for third party YouTube apps. These rules are not particularly onerous.

Microsoft have thrown their toys out the pram to make themselves look like the victim, and I don't have any sympathy.

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by moondevil on Fri 16th Aug 2013 18:18 in reply to "RE: ..."
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

Agree.

When I started doing development work for Fortune 500 companies, I learned to see Microsoft with different eyes.

Sure they are a bit bad boys, but there are lots of other IT corporations on the Fortune 500 world that make Microsoft look like an honest school kid.

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by Fergy on Fri 16th Aug 2013 20:11 in reply to "RE: ..."
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

There are far shitty tech companies out there than Microsoft which have far worse lock-in.

And which ones have a monopoly? The only reason I am on Windows is because almost all programs and games are made for Windows.

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by Soulbender on Fri 16th Aug 2013 20:17 in reply to "RE: ..."
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2005-08-18

I've had to use systems that make Oracle seem nice and cheap in comparison.


Dude, now you're scaring me. I don't think I'll be able to sleep tonight.

Seriously though, you are right. There are some really shitty systems out there that are insanely priced and whose design is an abomination to the programming profession.

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by TemporalBeing on Fri 16th Aug 2013 17:46 in reply to "..."
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Well, I feel disgusted how bad behavior gets condoned, because Google could also apply the same practice to other phones under the 3% market like the SailFish or UbuntuEdge.


But are those platforms advertising and marketing YouTube apps? Or do they just happen to implement enough of the browser to support the YouTube website?

My guess is they don't have a YouTube app - just a browser that supports YouTube.com well enough for use; probably a browser based on WebKit at that so they probably do implement everything Google is saying MS is not implementing.

It's really not that difficult. MS is just that pigheaded.

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by Hiev on Fri 16th Aug 2013 17:58 in reply to "RE: ..."
Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

But are those platforms advertising and marketing YouTube apps

I don't know, does the iPhone? and how is that relevant anyway?

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by leech on Fri 16th Aug 2013 20:15 in reply to "RE: ..."
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2006-01-10

For the record, my N9 has a YouTube 'app'. From all of the youtube apps I've ever used (the ones on the PS3, the one on my LG bluray players, and my phone) the search function doesn't work the same as the youtube.com site does.

It's horrible, when you type the exact same thing in youtube.com and these apps, and get completely different results.

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by glarepate on Sun 18th Aug 2013 06:57 in reply to "..."
glarepate Member since:
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Well, I feel disgusted how bad behavior gets condoned, because Google could also apply the same practice to other phones under the 3% market like the SailFish or UbuntuEdge.

So, I welcome to the new old Microsoft, but this time, its name is Google.


Chances are they won't because those OSes have all the HTML features needed to make a YouTube app that Google will approve of. And msft says they will in some future version of their OS. But right now they don't.

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