Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 5th Nov 2005 17:51 UTC, submitted by AdriAn Avila
Novell and Ximian Rumors circulating that Novell is going to kill off its popular Linux desktop lines are completely false. [However,] Novell is making one large strategic change. The GNOME interface is going to become the default interface on both the SLES and Novell Linux Desktop line. KDE libraries will be supplied on both, but the bulk of Novell's interface moving forward will be on GNOME. "The entire KDE graphical interface and product family will continue to be supported and delivered on OpenSuSE."
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RE[14]: Developer's POV
by on Sun 6th Nov 2005 20:51 UTC in reply to "RE[13]: Developer's POV"

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> What's wrong is that it is stupid for all toolbars to
> have the same attributes because different applications
> are constrained by different needs. Something your 24
> years of programming should have made obvious to you.

You still don't get the point ! Are you doing this on purpose ?

> This is the same person who tells everyone GNOME
> developers are jerks, don't fix bugs in their software
> and don't listen to users.

Not all are jerks but the majority are - from my past 6 years where I tried to contribute to GNOME I happen to came to this conclusion. Besides that my application is not part of the GNOME desktop. You know the desktop that is ready for "corporate" needs but lack basic features. I didn't hang a sign around my neck saying "Atlantis is ready for corporate" because I know it's not but GNOME did hang out that sign for years and they deserve what they get.

About the jerk issue again, If you happen to have dealt with GNOME developers, like contributing patches, trying to innovate, or simply try to come up with own ideas then you know what I talk about. Most of the shit they tell you is either ignorance, telling you to put everything you have on bgo so they don't need to talk with you and forget about your bugreports or if you happen to have some really good ideas it's being talked to death or your ideas are being turned into a troll attempt. Hell god know's how many contributors GNOME lost in the past years due to that very bad attitude. You seem to be one of those people whom working with should really be avoided.

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RE[15]: Developer's POV
by on Sun 6th Nov 2005 21:06 in reply to "RE[14]: Developer's POV"
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Calling the majority of gnome developers jerks wont get you anywhere. You dont know the process by which they move foward and how much information and request they get daily.

It would sound a bit more professional.....and more reflective of having 24 years of programming experience, if u criticized their development model or process, rather then calling the developers flat out jerks.

Personally I find it better then how KDE does things. I dont like how things seem to change spontaneously and randomly. And how things are introduced slowly. I aint gonna say its a bad model.....because some people like it. Its just that I dont. Meanwhile you are giving the vibe that gnome this sucks and gnome that sucks. I might come off like you, but im going to say thats immature.

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RE[16]: Developer's POV
by on Sun 6th Nov 2005 21:14 in reply to "RE[15]: Developer's POV"
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Look, when I started to help out GNOME around 1999 or so I defiantely didn't came and called the people "jerks". This has been grown out over the long time of six years. I have never been treated like a piece of shit as I was when trying to help GNOME to help shape GNOME, to be part of it. But I had to deal with ignorants, hardheaded people, egoists and a lot of people who are incapable to work together with others.

Even if you as developer want to contribute to GNOME you are under permanent attack, you receive nothing else than huge diffamation, attacks, namecalling, slandering and so on. This drives people away from contributing to GNOME.

Most developers around GNOME are some sort of having found themselves in "groups" they usually block every contribution from outside and usually declare valid and good stuff as stupid, silly or as troll attempt. This is quite frustrating for people who want to contribute. The attempt to contribute something towards GNOME is a very stone way and usually leads to frustrations at the end.

The best thing for contributors is to do the dirt work. The leftovers which the GNOME developers don't want to work on. Like writing documentations, doing the translations and so on. But as soon as it goes to normal bugfixes for bugs that are known for years these bugreports stay in bgo without attention. If you happen to have some time please head over to bgo and have a look on your own and you see how many bugs have been left there without attention. No comments, not even a feedback why the bug has been rejected or what was wrong with it.

Totally impossible is it as soon as you want to contribute some sort of features (because you reject working on the dirty leftovers or the simple patches that no one gives a f--k for). Working on features is usually the fun part of contributing. You are then directed to put your patches on bgo with comments like "we will have a look at that later" and then it stays there without any feedback for years. They are not interested to get new people helping that project.

Now I hope you may imagine why I don't have very good words left for GNOME. Sure not everyone is guilty not everyone is an ass or behaves like that, but you need to take my apology that I stopped separating the good ones from the bad ones. I am seriously tired doing this.

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