Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 20th Sep 2013 23:33 UTC

Speaking at Microsoft's financial analysts meeting today, CEO Steve Ballmer was refreshingly realistic about the company's struggles in smartphones and tablets. "Mobile devices. We have almost no share."

Right. Now that Ballmer himself admits it, can we please settle the discussion? Windows Phone has been a failure up until now.

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RE[2]: Doesn't matter
by bassbeast on Sat 21st Sep 2013 15:15 UTC in reply to "RE: Doesn't matter"
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Don't matter dude, WinPhone is still gonna flop like a fish on the bank and the reason why is simple, its that MSFT stopped listening to their customers and instead listens to Wall Street and that is the kiss of death.

As a retailer it baffles the hell out of me, you give folks what they want and your share grows...why is that so hard for MSFT to grasp? instead with Win 8 and WinPhone you get MSFT not listening but DICTATING and for every customer they get they completely turn off a dozen,that is NOT how you grow a market!

I have been a Windows guy since the days of Win 3.x yet when it came to a phone I chose Android, why? Because after the bad attitude coming from Redmond, the "just deal with it" comments, the screwing of the WinPhone 7.x users by refusing to port WinPhone 8, and Ballmer basically giving the bird to their desktop customers? the entire company has turned me off as a customer.

I was always on the bleeding edge when it came to their products, no more. I always had their latest OS, now I'm on Win 7. The entire culture at MSFT has become toxic and they seem to care not what the customers want or think, only Wall Street, and they only change course if the backlash to their flipping the customer the bird becomes so great they can no longer ignore it, see the Xbox N and refusing to play used games without whipping out a CC.

So I'm sorry but MSFT could have the best thing since sliced bread and it will still end up a failure, not because the product is bad, but because the company has become toxic. I personally hate fricking Linux but if SteamOS comes out and supports most of my games? I'll end up switching simply because I feel I won't have a choice,MSFT trying to tie everything into a walled garden, forcing me to use their services to log into my own PC, and other consumer unfriendly behavior has made their products a total turn off. this is what is plaguing WinPhone, not the OS, its the culture.

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RE[3]: Doesn't matter
by Nelson on Sat 21st Sep 2013 19:25 in reply to "RE[2]: Doesn't matter"
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All of that may be true, but none of that is what I addressed or even want to get into. The point behind my comment was to show clear (and accelerating) momentum towards Windows Phone.

We can debate all day why it's not more share, and I'd be inclined to agree with some points, but that's a different argument.

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RE[3]: Doesn't matter
by Dano on Sat 21st Sep 2013 19:58 in reply to "RE[2]: Doesn't matter"
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Like Apple listens to their customers lol. Good theory and rant but little truth.

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RE[4]: Doesn't matter
by bassbeast on Sat 21st Sep 2013 21:30 in reply to "RE[3]: Doesn't matter"
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Apple users can piss and moan all they want but Apple is NOT a tech brand, its a FASHION brand. What other products do you see people line up to buy? Ohh Air Jordans, the latest flash in the pan hipster brands, things like that.

Appleites can try to spin it all they want but for every person that buys it for the *nix or design there is a thousand that buys it to be SEEN holding an Apple and that all comes down to price. Why do you think Steve Jobs said several times he wouldn't sell to the low end? because he saw what happened when Porsche, another fashionable brand, tried to compete with nearly killed the brand.

So comparing Apple and MSFT is completely pointless, its the difference between Macy's and Walmart. sure macy's may have the branding but there is a pile of money to be made on the low end, but MSFT is burning their bridges because they want to be a hipster brand and it will NEVER EVER happen, most hipsters would go without before they used something as pedestrian as WinPhone.

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