Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 3rd Dec 2013 19:04 UTC
Games

Absolutely fantastic article by Tracey Lien.

If the selection at the average retailer is anything to go by, girls don't play video games. If cultural stereotypes are anything to go by, video games are for males. They're the makers, the buyers and the players.

There is often truth to stereotypes. But whatever truth there may be, the stereotype does not show the long and complicated path taken to formulate it, spread it and have it come back to shape societal views.

The attitude towards women in video games is even worse when you take online multiplayer into consideration. One of my team mates in League of Legends is a woman, and I've seen some absolutely terrible things being thrown her way in chat - during and even after the game is over. I've also pretended to be female in League of Legends just to see what would happen, and it was just as bad. However, I could just shrug it off - hearing the things guys say while you're pretending to be a woman as an experiment is a hell of a lot different than hearing these things when you're actually a woman.

I even caught myself thinking 'my female team mate should just pretend to be a guy' - but you know what? That's expletive ridiculous. As Lien details in her article, changing the way video games are being marketed would be a very good first step that could most certainly snowball into the future.

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Comment by lucas_maximus
by lucas_maximus on Wed 4th Dec 2013 12:55 UTC
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If the selection at the average retailer is anything to go by, girls don't play video games. If cultural stereotypes are anything to go by, video games are for males. They're the makers, the buyers and the players.


Nobody says the same thing about Action movies, which are made by men for men and marketed to men.

If people want the situation to change Women have to be making video games for Women. There is already several examples of successful women that were heading the development or design of triple A games, so I expect the situation will eventually sort itself out.

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RE: Comment by lucas_maximus
by twitterfire on Wed 4th Dec 2013 13:10 in reply to "Comment by lucas_maximus"
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2008-09-11

Like there are the bad guys who by all means necessary are trying to stop you to reach your favourite clothes store and you make lots of points by shopping?

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RE: Comment by lucas_maximus
by iarann on Thu 5th Dec 2013 06:07 in reply to "Comment by lucas_maximus"
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2006-05-14


Nobody says the same thing about Action movies, which are made by men for men and marketed to men.


Actually, people do discuss this all the time. You can find plenty of discussion about it related to Wonder Woman and why a movie isn't in production yet.


If people want the situation to change Women have to be making video games for Women. There is already several examples of successful women that were heading the development or design of triple A games, so I expect the situation will eventually sort itself out.


So your solution is women should be segregated into playing their own games rather than the mass market games taking a more mature approach to anatomy and gender issues? Honestly, I feel video games are ahead of the curve on some of these issues, especially with the Lara Croft titles or Resident Evil series as examples, or even as far back as Metroid, but it's stupid to pretend some of the blatent chauvanism we see in video games is ok just because those games are made for guys and women should avoid them.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Actually, people do discuss this all the time. You can find plenty of discussion about it related to Wonder Woman and why a movie isn't in production yet.


Action Movies not super hero movies.

So your solution is women should be segregated into playing their own games rather than the mass market games taking a more mature approach to anatomy and gender issues?


I didn't quite mean that. But a lot of games that have either had women as game designers, head of development haven't or some other important role hasn't had crap female characters where the cut scene or some plot development was soo bad I was embarrassed to own a penis.

Honestly, I feel video games are ahead of the curve on some of these issues, especially with the Lara Croft titles or Resident Evil series as examples, or even as far back as Metroid, but it's stupid to pretend some of the blatent chauvanism we see in video games is ok just because those games are made for guys and women should avoid them.


I don't.

* GTA V most of the women characters in it were jokes (girl with a tramp stamp, overly uptight career woman, bored middle aged house wife).
* Last of us while you had 1 chapter where you could play Ellie, she still has to be saved by Joel (if you played the game you know what chapter I am talking about).

* Call of Duty Modern Warfare series hasn't even had a woman in that didn't get murdered in one way or another.

* Lara Croft has been just about tits and guns, until very recently

* Resident Evil ... did you not play 4 or 5? Shiva was bloody useless and I was hoping Sadler would kill Ashley because she was quite honestly the most irritating RE character since Sherry.

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