Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 26th Mar 2014 14:48 UTC
Legal

In early March, 2007, as Google was expanding fast and furiously, one of its recruiters from the "Google.com Engineering" group made a career-ending mistake: She cold-contacted an Apple engineer by email, violating the secret and illegal non-solicitation compact that her boss, Eric Schmidt, had agreed with Apple's Steve Jobs.

What happened next is just one of many specific examples of how people's lives were impacted by the Techtopus wage-theft cartel that was taken down by the Department of Justice antitrust division, and is currently being litigated in a landmark class action lawsuit.

This story sent shivers down my spine. What a bunch of horrible, unethical scumbags. Sadly, their criminal behaviour won't really have any meaningful consequences. These people reside above the law.

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MOS6510
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2011-05-12

I still don't think it's a big deal. And why should it be? People get fired every day for much worse reasons, but they don't make the media. This person does, a long time ago even, and now we should get upset by it?

The only thing I accept is that companies and people behave wrong and illegal. They have done before, they are doing it now and they will keep doing it. The wrongdoing itself I won't accept and I think we should always strive to keep everybody honest and within the law.

What does bug me most is that the ones who break the law or at least bend it end up, what we consider, the winners. Being nice and honest doesn't get you far in this world. In my opinion people who break the law should be punished harder.

Big companies, like Apple, Google and Samsung, can easily break the law, pay the fines or settle and still make a profit. So why should they stop doing it? Samsung got a very big fine for copying Apple, but in the end they still made much more money and what happened to other companies that didn't copy Apple but tried to do their own thing? They lost out.

On a society level politicians and financial companies are much much much much worse and they get away with it too.

But we should pretend these things are incidents and they shock us. We should accept it happens and act upon it. We don't now, because it's easier to believe all is well.

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RobG Member since:
2012-10-17

I think, where (as in this case) there is evidence of personal awareness, those involved should be fined proportionally to there income.

A $150 fine means a lot to someone flipping burgers, if you're earning a million, not to bad. If that was a $100K fine, you may think twice next time.

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MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I think they do this in Sweden or another Scandinavian country and it's a great system.

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

MOS6510,

It's not surprising it doesn't upset me or, as you generalizing put, "people like me", because:

(1 I don't know this woman
(2 I don't work for Apple or Google
(3 I'm not a software developer
(4 This happened a long time ago
(5 This was in the news a long time ago


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I still don't think it's a big deal. And why should it be? People get fired every day for much worse reasons, but they don't make the media. This person does, a long time ago even, and now we should get upset by it?


Respectfully, these posts tell me you are missing the point. While the tech recruiter having been fired was wrong, the lawsuit actually about the illegal pacts between these companies, which directly affects a million employees.

repost: http://pando.com/2014/03/22/revealed-apple-and-googles-wage-fixing-...

Through indirect market effects, it effects many more. I think the reason you aren't upset might be because you are focusing too narrowly on the recruiter who was fired, right? Maybe you're still not upset anyways, but for most of us it is a far bigger than that.

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MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

Yes, I did focus perhaps too much on the recruiter.

It doesn't change much to the core of my argument that we shouldn't be upset or surprised by these things. We should actively fight these mishaps and not just wait until something comes up.

Also, millions may be effected, but I doubt these companies would try to pouch lower staff. It's rare talent and skill that's wanted. So the "millions" is very much theoretical.

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