Linked by jessesmith on Wed 5th Nov 2014 10:39 UTC
Linux Over the past year I've been reading a lot of opinions on the new init technology, systemd. Some people think systemd is wonderful, the bee's knees. Others claim that systemd is broken by design. Some see systemd as a unifying force, a way to unite the majority of the Linux distributions. Others see systemd as a growing blob that is slowly becoming an overly large portion of the operating system. One thing that has surprised me a little is just how much people care about systemd, whether their opinion of the technology is good or bad. People in favour faithfully (and sometimes falsely) make wonderful claims about what systemd is and what it can supposedly do. Opponents claim systemd will divide the Linux community and drive many technical users to other operating systems. There is a lot of hype and surprisingly few people presenting facts.
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RE: missing the objection...
by TemporalBeing on Wed 5th Nov 2014 22:54 UTC in reply to "missing the objection..."
TemporalBeing
Member since:
2007-08-22

Exactly; and the decision by GNOME to use it is being forced on everyone else.

I use KDE; I don't use anything from GNOME; some Gtk based apps (namely Pidgin) but that's it. My system does not require SystemD, yet because it is easier for the distro (e.g Ubuntu) to support it than rip it out, they use it.

It is so interwoven by GNOME that it is extremely hard for distros to support GNOME and non-GNOME desktops and give users a choice of whether or not to use SystemD.

And THAT is where the problem comes in with the design of SystemD - people that do not want to use it are being forced to simply because of GNOME.

And that's not right.

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woegjiub Member since:
2008-11-25

1) It's systemd, not SystemD.

2) KDE with Wayland is going to require the functionality provided by logind, so don't go too heavy on the gnome bashing.

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TemporalBeing Member since:
2007-08-22

2) KDE with Wayland is going to require the functionality provided by logind, so don't go too heavy on the gnome bashing.


Again, It's probably a Wayland requirement not a KDE requirement.

As so the GNOME "bashing" I've simply been noting that this came about because GNOME took a hard dependency on SystemD in a way that made it very difficult for distributions to remove it when they want to support other stuff too.

That's hardly "bashing"; just relating facts. "bashing" is going beyond facts to opinions as well being derogatory - neither of which have happened here.

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