Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 25th Jul 2015 16:25 UTC
Apple

Dave Winer, like Linus Torvalds, noticed something strange was happening to his e-mail, which led him to figure out what was going on.

On Wednesday I wrote about a problem I've been seeing with GMail, or so I thought. Messages that I knew I must be getting were not showing up in any of my mailboxes in GMail. But when I searched for them, they would show up.

I heard from other people who had seen the same behavior.

And I heard from two people from Google who work on GMail, who asked all the right questions. And gave me really detailed instructions on how to help them debug this.

Creepy.

Thread beginning with comment 614681
To read all comments associated with this story, please click here.
Expected Behavior, not "creepy"
by Roguelazer on Sat 25th Jul 2015 16:50 UTC
Roguelazer
Member since:
2005-06-29

I don't know if I'd call it "creepy"; if you choose to enable "iCloud Keychain Sync" on an iPhone and a Mac connected to the same Apple account, it'll automatically set up all e-mail/calendar/etc accounts on the linked devices. This is documented in the product page, the FAQ, and a whole bunch of other places. If I recall correctly, it's even in a modal popup when you enable iCloud Keychain the first time.

It's definitely true that the simplistic "Junk filter" in Mail.app is not as good as Gmail's spam filter, but Mr. Winer comes off as a bit of a conspiracy nut to think that Apple built it to intentionally over-filter messages from a Gmail account.

Reply Score: 4

Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

I don't know if I'd call it "creepy"; if you choose to enable "iCloud Keychain Sync" on an iPhone and a Mac connected to the same Apple account, it'll automatically set up all e-mail/calendar/etc accounts on the linked devices.

Maybe it's just me, but "iCloud Keychain Sync" doesn't sound like "I'll automatically log on to your GMail account and mark emails as spam for you"

This is documented in the product page, the FAQ, and a whole bunch of other places. If I recall correctly, it's even in a modal popup when you enable iCloud Keychain the first time.

Oh well that's okay then; everyone always reads those, and Mac users never gloat at Windows users who end up accidentally installing software they don't want because the installer was sneaky about it.

Reply Parent Score: 5

sergio Member since:
2005-07-06

I don't know if I'd call it "creepy"; if you choose to enable "iCloud Keychain Sync" on an iPhone and a Mac connected to the same Apple account, it'll automatically set up all e-mail/calendar/etc accounts on the linked devices. This is documented in the product page, the FAQ, and a whole bunch of other places. If I recall correctly, it's even in a modal popup when you enable iCloud Keychain the first time.


Every time Google royal fucks people, some Android fanboy came up with stupid "Apple is worst" excuses.

Apple is evil, yeah, but Apple doesn't fuck with your email, doesn't use your very private messages to show you ads or "enhance" your "web searching experience"!!!

C'mon why some smart people keep defending this horrible, privacy raping Google behavior?!?!

What Google does with people's email is _WRONG_, We have to be clear, We must be all together against this shit.

I'm 100% with Thom here. THIS IS CREEPY. There's no other word to describe it. Google shame on you.


PS: FYI syncing the keychain with icloud is a completely optional feature (and the keychain is encrypted btw). We cannot disable Google treachery sadly.

Reply Parent Score: -1

Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

I'm 100% with Thom here. THIS IS CREEPY.


I don't think you read the article.

Reply Parent Score: 6

BallmerKnowsBest Member since:
2008-06-02

Apple is evil, yeah, but Apple doesn't fuck with your email, doesn't use your very private messages to show you ads or "enhance" your "web searching experience"!!!


You actually use a free, third-party hosted EMail service for exchanging "very private messages"? Sorry to break it to you kid, but the problem there isn't GMail...

Reply Parent Score: 5