Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 27th Aug 2015 23:18 UTC
Windows This hit the news yesterday.

Microsoft released Windows 10 four weeks ago today, and now the company is providing a fresh update on its upgrade figures. 14 million machines had been upgraded to Windows 10 within 24 hours of the operating system release last month, and that figure has now risen to more than 75 million in just four weeks.

As somebody who uses Windows every day, and who upgraded to Windows 10 a few weeks before it was released, let me make a statement about all the positive Windows 10 reviews that not everyone is going to like. There are only two reasons Windows 10 is getting positive reviews. First, because it's free. This one's a given. Second, and more importantly: Windows 10 is getting positive reviews because none of the reviewers have forced themselves to use nothing but Metro applications.

Here's the cold and harsh truth as I see it: despite all the promises, Metro applications are still complete and utter garbage. Let me explain why.

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RE[5]: Comment by judgen
by avgalen on Sat 29th Aug 2015 20:07 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by judgen"
avgalen
Member since:
2010-09-23

This is nonsense Thom. Win32 is not going anywhere and you know it. And if you don't, you should have a look here: https://msdn.microsoft.com/library/windows/desktop/hh920508.aspx

If Win32 is deprecated and soon to be dead, please explain DirectX12.
Please explain which technology is used to write Office, SQL Server, Windows itself...you know, all those programs that actually earn billions for Microsoft every 3 months.
Or explain this sentence: Windows Runtime apps and Universal Windows Platform (UWP) apps can use a subset of the Win32 and COM APIs. This subset of APIs was chosen to support key scenarios for Windows Runtime apps that were not already covered by the Windows Runtime, HTML/CSS, or other supported languages or standards.

Win32 is what 95% of Microsofts own software and their entire ecosystem is built on. Saying that that is deprecated and dead going forward is WAY beneath your level.

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RE[6]: Comment by judgen
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 30th Aug 2015 11:32 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by judgen"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

This is nonsense Thom. Win32 is not going anywhere and you know it. And if you don't, you should have a look here: https://msdn.microsoft.com/library/windows/desktop/hh920508.aspx

If Win32 is deprecated and soon to be dead, please explain DirectX12.
Please explain which technology is used to write Office, SQL Server, Windows itself...you know, all those programs that actually earn billions for Microsoft every 3 months.
Or explain this sentence: Windows Runtime apps and Universal Windows Platform (UWP) apps can use a subset of the Win32 and COM APIs. This subset of APIs was chosen to support key scenarios for Windows Runtime apps that were not already covered by the Windows Runtime, HTML/CSS, or other supported languages or standards.

Win32 is what 95% of Microsofts own software and their entire ecosystem is built on. Saying that that is deprecated and dead going forward is WAY beneath your level.


That's like saying we are still in the glorious steam engine age because the basic principles behind the steam engine are still used in nuclear power plants.

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RE[7]: Comment by judgen
by avgalen on Sun 30th Aug 2015 19:22 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by judgen"
avgalen Member since:
2010-09-23

There is so much wrong with your analogy Thom. And yes, I know that steam is actually used in nuclear powerplants.

You really seem to be hung up on the fact that "Metro/Modern" is here to replace Win32 right now although there is no evidence for that at all. Quite the opposite actually as the focus from Windows 8.1 and 10 was to improve the Desktop Experience (Win32) while making Modern apps behave more like Desktop apps. Modern might, someday, replace Win32 as the primary development target, but that is still a few years in the future.

Replace Modern/Win32 with Wayland/X11 and you get a nice comparison where the new takes about a decade to develop, mature, become a viable platform and still the old will be needed for backwards compatibility.

But at least it is nice to hear you think that Modern is like a nuclear reactor instead of a steam engine ;)

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