Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 30th Aug 2016 17:00 UTC

The European Commission has concluded that Ireland granted undue tax benefits of up to €13 billion to Apple. This is illegal under EU state aid rules, because it allowed Apple to pay substantially less tax than other businesses. Ireland must now recover the illegal aid.

That sound you hear? That's the sound of a house of cards tumbling down.

There's quite a lot of misinformation on the web about this whole thing. First and foremost, the crux of the matter here is that it's the EU's job to protect the internal market, and to ensure that there's a level playing field between its various member states, and it does this through a number of regulations, laws, and codes that member states must adhere to. Whether you, personally, agree with this goal or not is irrelevant; Ireland is part of the EU single market and signed the dotted line - and this comes with the responsibility of implementing, adhering to, and upholding said regulations, laws, and codes.

Second, the EU claims that the special deals the Irish government gave to Apple are a form of illegal state aid; something many other companies have been fined and punished for as well. It's just that with a company the size of Apple, and the extensiveness of the tax-lowering deal Ireland gave to Apple, the illegal state aid easily reaches monstrous proportions.

Third, this isn't some EU manhunt or vendetta specifically targeting American companies; European companies have been fined time and time again for shady practices as well. And, just to be pedantic - technically speaking, Apple itself (the American company) isn't paying these taxes; various European shell companies owned and created by Apple are.

Fourth, there's a distinct and clear public opinion in Europe - and in the US as well, see e.g. the rise and popularity of Bernie Sanders - that seemingly, laws do not seem to apply to the extremely rich and wealthy. The EU and various member state governments - including my own - are starting to adapt to public opinion, taking concrete steps to end these shady tax deals and tax avoidance schemes that allow large, wealthy companies to pay effectively little to no taxes, while us 'normal' people and small business owners pay our fair share.

The main sticking point here is that the EU wants to makes sure that merely being rich and large should not give a company undue benefits that competitors simply cannot compete against. Proper capitalism only works when there's a level playing field where competition is based on merit, and not on who can dangle the biggest sack of money in front of the Irish or Dutch governments.

Apple, in response, published a deeply American (i.e., overtly sappy tugging-at-the-heartstrings nonsense) and cringe-inducing open letter to European consumers, and, of course, the ruling will be appealed. I can't wait until Apple is brought to its knees and forced to pay the taxes it owes for participating in the EU single market and the use of our infrastructure.

Google, Amazon, Starbucks, and everyone else, wherever from - you're next.

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Keeping the US Corp tax rate high looks great on paper - let's stick it to those evil corporations. But it doesn't have the effect of collecting huge amounts of money, instead it creates a giant incentive for US corps to leave their money, jobs and plants offshore.

Couldn't have said it better myself. You've hit the nail firmly on the head.
The main problem is, I think, that people view corporations as evil. Let's break this down:
1. A corporation is a collection of facilities, businesses, departments, and everything that goes with them. These are run by people.
2. A corporation has no consciousness, therefore it cannot be evil.
3. People can be evil, however there really are very few genuinely evil people. Too often what we see as "evil" is people trying to seek the best position for themselves. This is human nature, pure and simple. Without it, we would not have come as far as we have as a species.
4. If someone lives in a system that encourages people to be a certain way, most will do so. It's easier and you are more likely to thrive.
So, put all this together and what do we have? A system that encourages people to put as much of their money outside the country as possible, coupled with people who are just acting the way anybody would act in that situation. It's hardly "evil," just an unfortunate system with nasty consequences. If anything, the people behind the system are the cause of the evil.
So it seems to me that we're left with one option: change the system. Anyone want to tackle that?

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dpJudas Member since:

So it seems to me that we're left with one option: change the system. Anyone want to tackle that?

Good luck with that. There are players in the system that gain on the status quo. We already have the US government crying that Apple was punished - and Ireland sure don't want to budge voluntarily either, as they were bribed with some jobs in Ireland if they'd help screw over the rest of the EU.

The stupid thing is if just everyone could agree on stopping this everyone would be win. Prisoner's dilemma in game theory, I think.

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