Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 10th Nov 2016 23:13 UTC
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With the US presidential elections right behind us, there's been a lot of talk about the role platforms like Facebook and Twitter have in our modern discourse. Last week, it was revealed that teens in Macedonia earns thousands of dollars each month by posting patently false stories about the elections on Facebook and getting them to go viral. With Facebook being a major source of news for a lot of people, such false stories can certainly impact people's voting behaviour.

In a statement to TechCrunch, Facebook responded to the criticism that the company isn't doing enough to stop this kind of thing. The statement in full reads:

We take misinformation on Facebook very seriously. We value authentic communication, and hear consistently from those who use Facebook that they prefer not to see misinformation. In Newsfeed we use various signals based on community feedback to determine which posts are likely to contain inaccurate information, and reduce their distribution. In Trending we look at a variety of signals to help make sure the topics being shown are reflective of real-world events, and take additional steps to prevent false or misleading content from appearing. Despite these efforts we understand there's so much more we need to do, and that is why it's important that we keep improving our ability to detect misinformation. We're committed to continuing to work on this issue and improve the experiences on our platform.

This is an incredibly complex issue.

First, Facebook is a private entity, and has no legal obligation to be the arbiter of truth, save for complying with court orders during, say, a defamation or libel lawsuit by a wronged party. If someone posts a false story that Clinton kicked a puppy or that Trump punched a kitten, but none of the parties involved take any steps, Facebook is under no obligation - other than perhaps one of morality - to remove or prevent such stories from being posted.

Second, what, exactly, is truth? While it's easy to say that "the earth is flat" is false and misinformation, how do you classify stories of rape and sexual assault allegations levelled at a president-elect - and everything in between? What if you shove your false stories in a book, build a fancy building, slap a tax exempt status on it, and call it a religion? There's countless "legitimate" ways in which people sell lies and nonsense to literally billions of people, and we deem that completely normal and acceptable. Where do you draw the line, and more importantly, who draws that line?

Third, how, exactly, do we propose handling these kinds of bans? Spreading news stories online is incredibly easy, and I doubt even Facebook itself could truly 'stop' a story from spreading on its platform. Is Facebook supposed to pass every post and comment through its own Department of Truth?

Fourth, isn't spreading information - even false information - a basic human need that you can't suppress? Each and every one of us spreads misinformation at one or more points in our lives - we gossip, we think we saw something, we misinterpreted someone's actions, you name it. Sure, platforms like Facebook can potentially amplify said misinformation uncontrollably, but do we really want to put a blanket moratorium on "misinformation", seeing as how difficult it it is to define the term?

We are only now coming to grips with the realities of social media elections, but as a politics nerd, I'd be remiss if I didn't raise my hand and reminded you of an eerily similar situation the US political world found itself in in the aftermath of the 26 September, 1960 debate between sitting vice president Nixon and a relatively unknown senator from Massachusetts, John F. Kennedy.

It was the first televised debate in US history. While people who listened to the debate on the radio declared Nixon the winner, people who watched the debate on television declared Kennedy the winner. While Nixon appeared sickly and sweaty, Kennedy looked fresh, calm, and confident. The visual impact was massive, and it changed the course of the elections. Televised debates are completely normal now, and every presidential candidate needs to be prepared for them - but up until 1960, it wasn't a factor at all.

Social media will be no different. Four years from now, when Tulsi Gabbard heads the Democratic ticket (you heard it here first - mark my words) versus incumbent Trump, both candidates will have a far better grasp on social media and how to use them than Clinton and Trump did this year.

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RE: More important issues
by darknexus on Fri 11th Nov 2016 13:19 UTC in reply to "More important issues"
darknexus
Member since:
2008-07-15

You think a legal demand to vote would help? I want you to look up two words for me: electoral college. Then come back and tell me if a legal need to vote is really our problem, seeing as how it wouldn't have matter one jot what we voted anyway. And then on top of that, how about look at our bullshit two-party system vs most of Europe's more sensible, balanced system first?
There's very little that's right with our system but please, don't make statements telling us what our needs are when you clearly don't understand how our system is broken. You understand that it is broken, but not how. Learn that first.

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RE[2]: More important issues
by Alfman on Fri 11th Nov 2016 14:42 in reply to "RE: More important issues"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

darknexus,

You think a legal demand to vote would help? I want you to look up two words for me: electoral college. Then come back and tell me if a legal need to vote is really our problem, seeing as how it wouldn't have matter one jot what we voted anyway. And then on top of that, how about look at our bullshit two-party system vs most of Europe's more sensible, balanced system first?


This is exactly the problem. Across the spectrum, a majority agreed that neither trump nor hilary deserved the vote, either of them is a loss for the vast majority. Yet because of a flawed election process in which we're discouraged from voting for what one wants and resort to voting against the biggest opponent, we end up being badly represented. Trump has a 60-70% disapproval among those who voted for him, and hilary was the same. This election wasn't a vote for either of them, it was voting out the other.



The irony is that voting reform is the one thing almost everyone agrees on...until they get elected.

"The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy"
- Trump 2012

He was preparing to fight the rigged system if he lost the election, but does anyone think he'll fight it now? After all, he lost the popular vote.

He was right, the electoral college all but guaranties that 3rd party candidates get *ZERO* electoral votes at the federal level. The two most hated candidates in modern history got 100% of the electoral vote.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Even the "270 electoral votes to win" convention only exists because there's almost no chance for a 3rd party candidate to get even a single electoral vote. This website "270towin" was used by trump's own campain, doesn't even show 3rd parties at all, and that was before the election.

http://www.270towin.com/


It really sucks, yet the parties that want to change it are unelectable.

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RE[3]: More important issues
by Athlander on Fri 11th Nov 2016 17:56 in reply to "RE[2]: More important issues"
Athlander Member since:
2008-03-10

I wasn't aware of the electoral college until now. I did some reading up on it and some alternatives that have been proposed, but am I right in thinking there is almost zero chance of the electoral college being replaced?

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RE[2]: More important issues
by matej on Sat 12th Nov 2016 09:44 in reply to "RE: More important issues"
matej Member since:
2007-05-27

A legal demand would have helped, I think, against the protests we are seeing.

PS: I personally do not see the electoral college as a problem in the US system and I actually think it is a good thing as it protects the inland states from being dominated by the bigger coastal states. However, I do agree with you that they should fix this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering_in_the_United_States

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RE[3]: More important issues
by Alfman on Sat 12th Nov 2016 17:14 in reply to "RE[2]: More important issues"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

matej,

PS: I personally do not see the electoral college as a problem in the US system and I actually think it is a good thing as it protects the inland states from being dominated by the bigger coastal states. However, I do agree with you that they should fix this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering_in_the_United_States



I understand many people want the electoral college, but I'd like you to clarify something for me.

1. The electoral college implicitly means that not everyone's vote is counted equally.

2. It is also responsible for 3rd parties having zero electoral votes or close to it and effectively limits the presidency to a two party system.

Both of these statements about the EC are true, and you've explicitly stated your opinion that rural votes should count for more, so #1 is good. However is #2 something you consider to be important as well? Or is it a negative byproduct?


Because it's actually very easy to fix #2 while maintaining #1. Just switch to a popular vote and give each state a different vote multiplier. I'd expect that anyone who feels that 3rd parties should have a chance would prefer this over the EC, at least if they're being logical.

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