Linked by Adam S on Fri 22nd Jul 2005 22:27 UTC, submitted by Daniel Price
Sun Solaris, OpenSolaris Solaris Express 7/2005 (a.k.a. Nevada Build 17) was posted today, providing MESA support, observability enhancements, and roughly 500 bug fixes. You can obtain a free download. An overview of new features is also available.
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RE[8]: I tried but gave up
by sbergman27 on Sun 24th Jul 2005 20:29 UTC in reply to "RE[7]: I tried but gave up"
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2005-07-24

Yes, when I transitioned from commercial Unixes to Linux, system accounting was a definite regression. vmstat and top do not hold a candle to sar. It is odd that RHEL/Centos/Fedora do not include sar, as our friends at Old SCO open-sourced it years ago. I do use it at a couple of sites, and it is indeed a pain to have to go out, find, compile, and install it. I would no doubt make more use of sar if there were an "always on sar-tone" included. I just checked, and even the Dag repository does not include it. (BTW, do Solaris admins still have to install the GNU tools seperately?)

I won't comment on zones and containers. They sound nice, but I am not familiar enough to make an informed comment, so I won't. :-)

I tend to agree with you on Sun sticking with x86/x86_64. As long as they are looking at what is best for Sun, and not putting too much emphasis on their own pride. (And you have to admit, Sun has enough for 10 normal companies.) They really don't have a choice, do they? They did years ago. But for Sparc, "the haggis is in the fire for sure", now.

And on a more humorous note:

Deep pockets? What are those?! I've never had an employer or client with deep pockets. Making do with what's available brings its own rewards, though. One of my current, low priority projects is implementing a web server as a public demo of a time accounting package I wrote. It's a 233 Mhz pentium MMX with 128 MB of RAM. Hey, it's what was easily available, and it performs *surprisingly* well, once tuned. And Centos 4 installed without a hitch. Should I try that with Solaris Express? :-)

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RE[9]: I tried but gave up
by Robert Escue on Sun 24th Jul 2005 21:51 in reply to "RE[8]: I tried but gave up"
Robert Escue Member since:
2005-07-08

RedHat has sar (through sysstat(http://perso.wanadoo.fr/sebastien.godard/)) which I am using, but it does not provide anything like this:

TOTAL COMMAND SUMMARY
COMMAND NUMBER TOTAL TOTAL TOTAL MEAN MEAN HOG CHARS BLOCKS
NAME CMDS KCOREMIN CPU-MIN REAL-MIN SIZE-K CPU-MIN FACTOR TRNSFD READ

TOTALS 49302 5027154.00 1753.30 54646.70 2867.25 0.04 0.03 2489534976 7764293

java 8 2725386.50 321.09 2910.70 8487.88 40.14 0.11 2472709120 7410149
httpd 724 2025181.25 1389.38 51367.43 1457.61 1.92 0.03 1740732032 180676
bpbkar 1 261226.50 33.52 84.68 7793.77 33.52 0.40 -1864368128 168832

This is part of the daily system accounting report from one of the webfarm machines at work, system accounting rules!

On GNU tools, if you perform a Full Distribution installation of either Solaris 10 or Express you get GCC, gmake and most of the GNU tool chain, just look in /usr/sfw.

One of the Sun SSE's that does work for us calls us her "bleeding edge" site because of all the gear we have. This includes 3 SunFire 4800's (one is still in the crate). We joke about getting a couple of 25K's to run our web portal.

Sun's corporate "ego" I think has nothing on Larry Ellison of Oracle, that's my observation based on interviews with him.

Install Solaris Express on a Pentium 233 MMX, that could be painful (provided it is still supported)!!

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RE[10]: I tried but gave up
by sbergman27 on Sun 24th Jul 2005 23:08 in reply to "RE[9]: I tried but gave up"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

So that's what they are calling sar these days. Thanks for the info.

Also, good to hear that GNU tools are now included.

I'd put Scott and Larry about equal on ego. But Scott is definitely more likable. And I do actually have a sneaking admiration for the guy. When the other commercial Unix vendors (and Oracle, as well) were hedging their bets with Windows (as they all still are doing), Scott believed in Unix and stood by his principles. I respect that.

If Solaris won't install on a P233 MMX, I think I can forgive it for that at least. It's not like I work with them every day. But the occasional retro project can be fun.

I did run into a post earlier today that suggested that recent Solaris Express releases incorporate some important changes to the way pnp bioses are handled, which avert some common early installation difficulties. Maybe I can now get it to install on something around here?

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