Linked by Andrew Youll on Sat 4th Feb 2006 14:31 UTC
Apple Apple has confirmed that it's taken the number one spot in the western European education market. Apple's education market share in western Europe is now 15.2 per cent, relegating Dell, with 14.7 per cent, to second place.
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RE[3]: Interestingly enough
by MysterMask on Sun 5th Feb 2006 14:42 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Interestingly enough"
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What's good for Apple is not necessarily good for us.

But what's good for Microsoft, Dell etc. is not necessarily good for us, too. So why should we buy into an OS monopoly?

What about Windows, you will ask? [..] It is bad enough that we have a closed OS.

Most parts of OSX are open source. So what about Windows?

At least however it leaves you free [..] your hardware can be used for something else if you feel like it,

And with Mac's, you can't? *LOL*

1. You're freedom is limited by driver support on each side of the "fence". Since there's less different hardware configurations on Apple, it might be easier to get a proper driver for Mac hardware..

2. Why can't you use Mac hardware not for something else? I started using Linux on my Mac in about 1997 (possibly 1998, I don't remember that well). I installed BeOS on the same hardware, too. Then there's BSD, etc. etc.

and open source software is available for it in large quantities.

You can compile most open source softare on Macs. Actually, if you look at OSS software not specially written for Windows, you need a good portion of luck and "hacks" like CYGWIN (or comparable solutions) to be able to compile/run them on Windows. E. g. I tried to compile an OSS ARJ tool for Unix in CYGWIN to be able to decompress ARJ archives on Windows without user interactions. It did not compile. ;)

Furthermore, the number of software titles is not related to the quality of the software and the usefulness for a given problem area/task/business.
(Having large numbers of - mostly boring - game titles available for Windows might be a selling point in the home user market but it's useless in the edu market).

Its not good, but its more open than Macintosh.

You're measure of "openness" is quit limited by you're personal choices, it seems ..

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RE[4]: Interestingly enough
by alcibiades on Sun 5th Feb 2006 17:22 in reply to "RE[3]: Interestingly enough"
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It seems pretty simple. Buy a Wintel PC and run Unix or Windows or Linux on it.

Buy a Mactel, and you cannot boot anything but OSX on it. Nor can you boot OSX on anything else.

Obviously, the second is more closed than the first. Whether parts of OSX were originally open is not the issue. Nor is it the issue whether you can compile software for OSX.

The question is not whether Macs are a good or a bad thing. The point is that a world in which OS and hardware are locked, and you cannot choose which OS to run on your hardware, would represent a significant loss of personal freedom. So, it would be wise for us to be alert to any increase in market share for this model in public institutions, and to resist its adoption on any scale greater than the present one. Which seems already great enough.

Let's repeat. This is not about whether Macs are good or bad. This is about the implications of a particular model of the industry for personal freedom.

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RE[5]: Interestingly enough
by Shane on Mon 6th Feb 2006 06:33 in reply to "RE[4]: Interestingly enough"
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It seems pretty simple. Buy a Wintel PC and run Unix or Windows or Linux on it.

Buy a Mactel, and you cannot boot anything but OSX on it. Nor can you boot OSX on anything else.

It's interesting that you chose to make an example of Mactels. It is only a matter of time until you will be able to boot linux and even Vista on a Mactel. Older Macs can, of course, already run linux, BSD etc. Apple have specifically said that they will not stop people from running Windows on the Mactels.

Sure, you cannot run OS X on anything else than a Mac. But buying a Mac does not mean that you're locked into OS X. So I would say that you're locked into Apple hardware if you want OS X, but not the other way round.

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