Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 14th Feb 2006 22:49 UTC, submitted by jayson.knight
Mac OS X It seems like flee-in-Apple's-fur, cracker 'Maxxuss', has succeeded in cracking Mac OS 10.4.4 for Intel. "We were just about to hunker down and wait through the cold winter and a wet spring until we saw some results on the OS X 10.4.4 for Intel hacking efforts, but it looks like we're getting a little Valentines present from 'Maxxuss' who has already broken through Apple's heightened security that is present in their shipping version of the OS. It's just a preliminary release, not all hardware is supported and it requires a bit of futzing around to get it to work, but seeing as we weren't expecting this kind of breakthrough this early, we really can't complain."
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RE: hmm..
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 14th Feb 2006 23:03 UTC in reply to "hmm.."
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

Yeah, I'd rather see this cracker use his expertise to do legal things instead of this stuff... But oh well, apparantly there's a market for half-baked OSX installs on cheap self-built crap in a lot of basements around the world.

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RE[2]: hmm..
by DevL on Tue 14th Feb 2006 23:07 in reply to "RE: hmm.."
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2005-07-06

Like I said, people always flock to "free lunches" even if only junk food is served...

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RE[2]: hmm..
by MamiyaOtaru on Tue 14th Feb 2006 23:15 in reply to "RE: hmm.."
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2005-11-11

apparantly there's a market for half-baked OSX installs on cheap self-built crap in a lot of basements around the world.

There was in Maxxuss' basement at least. Or maybe he just wanted a challenge. He's probably just scratching his own itch, I rather doubt he did it to satisfy some hypothetical widespread clamoring.

Regardless, it will remain a fringe activity. Every new version of OSX will require the same effort, likely every patch as well. While he will likely be up to it, average computer user will not find it a workable situation.

It's no threat to Apple. They might not like it, and of course we can decry those who just want to get OSX for free, but it really can't hurt Apple. The amount of people who will be willing to put up with the whole patching situation is going to be extremely minimal, and a lot of those folks may be motivated to get themselves the legit item after getting a taste.

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by the_trapper on Tue 14th Feb 2006 23:16 in reply to "RE: hmm.."
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2005-07-07

Yeah, I'd rather see this cracker use his expertise to do legal things instead of this stuff...

What he is doing is not illegal everywhere.

But oh well, apparantly there's a market for half-baked OSX installs on cheap self-built crap in a lot of basements around the world.

Maybe there's a market for legally purchased copies of Mac OS X running on the hardware of our choice. Not all of the "self-built crap" is cheap Thom. As far as I am concerned it is only stealing if you don't pay Apple for OS X.

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RE[3]: hmm..
by Tom K on Tue 14th Feb 2006 23:52 in reply to "RE[2]: hmm.."
Tom K Member since:
2005-07-06

> Maybe there's a market for legally purchased copies of Mac OS X running on the hardware of our choice.

Maybe you can keep dreaming. :-)

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by somebody on Wed 15th Feb 2006 00:28 in reply to "RE[2]: hmm.."
RE[2]: hmm..
by porcel on Tue 14th Feb 2006 23:21 in reply to "RE: hmm.."
porcel Member since:
2006-01-28

And apparently, there is a market for wanna-be editors who never went to journalism school but boost their ego by putting down the efforts of others who are far more capable than them.

Guess what, people don't like limitations or being told that you can only use this software on this hardware because I control you and what you can do.

The quest for freedom is a universal human need.

Go ahead, mod me down to kingdom come. It will just show your immaturity

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RE[3]: hmm..
by cujo on Tue 14th Feb 2006 23:33 in reply to "RE[2]: hmm.."
cujo Member since:
2005-07-06

Actually, it shows yours.

People also don't like speed limits or the price of gas. That doesn't mean you should go to whatever lengths to get your way.

The quest for freedom is a universal human need eh? Spare the world your self-righteous load of bull. This isn't about slavery or breaking free of social injustice. This is about some guy doing something that everyone here knows isn't legit.

If you think this is legit, give it away yourself. And don't forget to put your name, address, and phone number on it.

Thom's comment may have been ill-advised, but the underlying idea is in the right ballpark.

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RE[3]: hmm..
by DevL on Tue 14th Feb 2006 23:34 in reply to "RE[2]: hmm.."
DevL Member since:
2005-07-06

I think your misinterpreted Thom.

He's not putting down the efforts of Maxxuss (for hacking 10.4.4) - he's questioning the reasoning behind trying to obtain a free lunch.

And no, the "freedom" to run Mac OS X on the hardware of your choise is NOT a human need and by implying it is you're making a mockery out of all the people in the world living under dictatorship!

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RE[3]: hmm..
by somebody on Wed 15th Feb 2006 00:46 in reply to "RE[2]: hmm.."
somebody Member since:
2005-07-07

Guess what, people don't like limitations or being told that you can only use this software on this hardware because I control you and what you can do.

So if you like some car and man owning that car doesn't want to sell i to you? What? You're legaly correct if you simply steal his car? And please spare me with excuse that software is different. It is different only until you don't start to live from writing it. After that your viewpoint changes with a U-turn. Suddenly, commercial becomes commercial and free becomes free.

The quest for freedom is a universal human need.

Yes, quest for freedom, yes. But hacking/pirating software is not different from stealing. In my case, if I (or any developer/company) want some software of mine (or theirs) to be free (and it accounts for about 30% in my case) I give it out and I'm prepared to help anyone. If not, then you have to buy it in order to use it. And no, you're no better than thief in my eyes if you avoid my wishes.

Any other kind of thinking just shows your lack of respect for work of others (and the fact that your ass is probably your personal horizon).

Edited 2006-02-15 00:57

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RE[3]: hmm..
by Johan on Wed 15th Feb 2006 04:45 in reply to "RE[2]: hmm.."
Johan Member since:
2005-06-30

The quest for freedom is a universal human need.

That's the biggest bullshit argument I've ever heard. If you're going to swindle Apple, just shutup and do it quietly. Don't hide behind the some idealism, trying to justify to yourself you're doing this for the good of mankind. There is no honour in breaking promises.

Apple only wants to sell OSX to people their hardware, that's the only way they can cover the costs and make a profit out of the enormous financial investments they put into developing the OS. They just can't justify the costs of development if the hardware costs are not included. If everyone bought OSX but not Apple machines, Apple will lose money. So theres an agreement that you can only install osx into Apple computers.

We all know this. You can argue the legality till the cows come home. If the current law cannot uphold this basic agreement, than its the failure of the system. But by actively trying to break this agreement, its ethically wrong. So don't try to claim some moral reason for dishonouring that agreement.

Apple is free to sell their products in any way they choose, and they do not force it upon anybody. You are free to not buy their products. But by dishonouring the agreement, and making them lose money, you are infringing on their freedom to make a living.

One does not have the freedom to infringe upon the freedom of others.

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RE[3]: hmm..
by kaiwai on Thu 16th Feb 2006 01:15 in reply to "RE[2]: hmm.."
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2005-07-06

Well, lets skip the bit about control and maybe lets assume the guy wanted a challenge? hell, he probably has NO interest in running the operating system itself, he just probably finds the whole idea of studying software security an interesting past time.

Some people tweak their cars, others like to play role playing games, and in his case, he likes disecting software and trying to work out how it ticks - and personally, I think its a good thing.

As for the viability of this; I'd say that Apple has only put some very rudamentry software protection in it, just enough to piss people off and simply work to fix the issues with each service pack - in otherwords, if one were to run it on their own machine, they would always be behind the eight ball.

With MacOS X 10.5 around the corner, this is probably the time where Apple will really push up the notch when it comes to security, they would have had over 18 months to come up with a security stratergy that takes advantage of all the features - lets remember guys, there are only limited things you can do in 6months in respects to getting MacOS X up and running, and secure on the x86 platform.

Couple that with the fact that there are limited drivers, and basically you're reliant on using the same motherboard and processor specifications as what the Mac uses, the 'great freedom' people herald on about is nothing more than a fictional fantasy; It would be a hard pressed task to find that same components as Apple and put them together in a beige box cheaper than Apple can, because unlike Joe Basement Geek, Apple gets volume discounts.

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RE[2]: hmm..
by miscz on Wed 15th Feb 2006 00:27 in reply to "RE: hmm.."
miscz Member since:
2005-07-17

But oh well, apparantly there's a market for half-baked OSX installs on cheap self-built crap in a lot of basements around the world.
Oh please, stop this dull grey crap propaganda. My notebook is far from being self-built or looking bad and OSX fits it nicely.

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RE[2]: hmm..
by Celerate on Wed 15th Feb 2006 00:48 in reply to "RE: hmm.."
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2005-06-29

"But oh well, apparantly there's a market for half-baked OSX installs on cheap self-built crap in a lot of basements around the world."

What makes you think that being a smart consumer and building a computer at home makes the hardware any worse, did you forget that article on what hardware is behind the shiny aluminum panels of Macs already?
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=12671

Home building a computer means that you can heave the exact same parts minus the branded case for much cheaper, how then would being home built make the case cheaper. And for that matter most people building their own computers are putting together powerful systems, not cheap ones.

If people were going to use cheap computers they wouldn't home build them, they'd buy an e-machines computer for $300. Home built computers are in majority much higher end and would put even the iMac line to shame.

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RE[3]: hmm..
by Celerate on Wed 15th Feb 2006 00:52 in reply to "RE[2]: hmm.."
Celerate Member since:
2005-06-29

There's a mistake in there,
The part: "how then would being home built make the case cheaper."
Should have been: "how then would being home built make the hardware cheaper."

Too bad there isn't an edit option for replies too, proof reading isn't perfect.

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RE[3]: hmm..
by Dave_K on Wed 15th Feb 2006 01:01 in reply to "RE[2]: hmm.."
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2005-11-16

Home built computers are in majority much higher end and would put even the iMac line to shame.

That's very true, most of the home built systems I see are high end gaming systems, or are built because the user has specific requirements that aren't met by ready built products. The kind of computer enthusiasts I know who build their computers tend to spend as much on their case, PSU and cooling as other people spend on their whole computer. It's the cheap PCs mass produced by various companies that give PCs in general a bad name for quality.

I built my PC because I wanted something silent for audio work and it cost as much as a high end Mac. Considering how noisy most high end Apple computers have tended to be, I doubt their Intel towers will fit my needs. Given the choice I'd rather run Windows and have superior home built hardware than buy a Mac, even though I do like Mac OS X.

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RE[2]: hmm..
by MORB on Wed 15th Feb 2006 08:59 in reply to "RE: hmm.."
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2005-07-06

Yeah, I'd rather see this cracker use his expertise to do legal things instead of this stuff... But oh well, apparantly there's a market for half-baked OSX installs on cheap self-built crap in a lot of basements around the world.

Myself, I'd rather see companies like apple not waste their time creating complicated protection schemes that are bound to be cracked eventually.
Especially in apple's case where there is so little incentive (except the technical challenge, but that wouldn't even be there if there was no protection to begin with) to make their os work on a regular pc because of the lack of drivers and such.

Edited 2006-02-15 09:00

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RE[2]: hmm..
by dylansmrjones on Wed 15th Feb 2006 12:49 in reply to "RE: hmm.."
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2005-10-02

If he lives in Europe (let's say Holland or Denmark) his actions are perfectly legal, Thom. And you know that.

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RE[3]: hmm..
by as400tek on Wed 15th Feb 2006 18:35 in reply to "RE: hmm.."
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2006-02-15

Long Live Maxxuss....Long Live Apple

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RE[2]: hmm..
by l3v1 on Sun 19th Feb 2006 18:59 in reply to "RE: hmm.."
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2005-07-06

market for half-baked OSX installs on cheap self-built crap in a lot of basements

I guess spitting out idiotic remarks about people who really spend quite a lot of their rightfully earned money on absolutely not crappy hardware has just got fashionable among internet "journalists" ?

It's one thing stating your opinion about someone cracking an OS whose EULA is not even valid everywhere on this planet. It's another thing to make useless idiotic remarks about people who have the money, the time and the knowledge to buil their fraggin' good systems at home.

Your remarks make more an impression of a person living in a basement than the actions of someone hacking OSX for whatever reason.

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