The Kubuntu project has released their latest test images of Hoary Hedgehog, featuring the hot-off-the-press KDE 3.4. OSDir has your sweet screenshot goodness.
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I just installed it. I’m very happy with it so far. It is so much faster than the Gnome Ubuntu.
Thanks developers.
what kind of system did you install it on? i’m about to liberate my girlfriends laptop which is a 500mhz/192mb toshiba. i love gentoo but this time, i’ve decided to go with KDE and a fast/efficient install system.
thanks
You’ve always had KDE in universe anyway, so how does this differ than what’s in stock debian Sid?
SID doesn’t have KDE 3.4 in it. Kubuntu has the majority of it ready, with some Kubunut customizations that are very nice. It’s still a test release, so it’s not feature complete, but if you want debian with xorg, and KDE 3.4, this is the way to go.
how to enable xcomposite support in Kwin? Anyways, KDE 3.4 is fantastic, I suggest everyone give it a try. This is the release that finally pushed me off of Gnome.
It took 2 years but the KDE people won me over.
KDE 3.4 is awesome, I just dream how is going to be KDE 4.0 🙂
Go KDE Go
I mean, the whole point behind Ubuntu is that its a Gnome centered debian disto. Theres a ton of nice easy to use KDE centered ones already!
Seriously, what is it you guys are looking for in Kubuntu?
Found it!
Right click an open window
Open ‘Configure Windows Behavior’
Go to ‘Translucency’ section
Enable ‘Use translucency/shadows’
Restart the Xserver
Its great, so smooth.
KDE has its audience, so it’s good to see some support for them. 🙂 At least they won’t use other sucky distros.
I was wondering the same thing. All the Canonical funds goto Gnome development. Why not work with the Mephis guys to make the best KDE distro.
Because ubuntu is a really nice distro. I am liking using it at the moment quite a lot. But it’s taking me a while to get used to gnome (I usually use KDE), so having really nice KDE packages in Ubuntu is a nice alternative.
I don’t mind running the ubuntu tools written in GTK on KDE if i have to (well, the only tool is the update tool isn’t it?).
I’m going to install the KDE packages on the weekend and see how it goes. But I’m going to continue to test GNOME out as well.
I mean, the whole point behind Ubuntu is that its a Gnome centered debian disto. Theres a ton of nice easy to use KDE centered ones already!
Seriously, what is it you guys are looking for in Kubuntu?
For myself, it’s the chance to be part of the development process, and have the guys that are running the project listen to my input with open ears. The Ubunut/Kubuntu teams really seem to care about what their users want in their distro. It may sound hokey, but there’s a good feeling working with these guys that I really don’t feel with any other distro.
Add to that the latest software that I want, like KDE 3.4 and Xorg, which I can’t get with any of the other debian distros, and Kubuntu is perfect for me. It’s nice to have choice, and that’s what Kubuntu gives me.
OSDir seems unusually slow right now, to me.
I think this will be good for people who are on slower machines but still like Ubuntu and a full fledged DE.
Kubuntu looks more polished. Moreover, I was not able to make more than 4 partitions with MEPIS Simple and Kubuntu does not have this issue. btw, I would be nice to have the 2.4 kernel as an install option in Kubuntu.
The Ubunut/Kubuntu teams really seem to care about what their users want in their distro. It may sound hokey, but there’s a good feeling working with these guys that I really don’t feel with any other distro.
Shhhh. You’ll start a kerfluffle with language like that.
I mean, the whole point behind Ubuntu is that its a Gnome centered debian disto. Theres a ton of nice easy to use KDE centered ones already!
Seriously, what is it you guys are looking for in Kubuntu?
Actually, the whole point of Ubuntu, as is stated on the “About Ubuntu” section of their website, makes no such direct mention about Gnome.
The point of Ubuntu reaches beyond the Desktop Environment, or at least it seems to me following what their website says and according to the instigator’s stated motives. Providing the user with a good experience with both Gnome and KDE (which I believe encompass different paradigms) furthers their claim.
It could very well be that other paradigms exist. For example, take hardware with low specs. If someone was to come up with an arrangement of XFCE (or Blackbox, Fluxbox, FVWM, etc) tailored on the Ubuntu base, with predefined apps having the common denominator of being old-computer ressource friendly, then maybe it could work out too. Who knows? Well, Ubuntu project leaders I guess. If one of them is reading this, please drop a line for the readers.
Well there’s a lot of people (me included) that loved ubuntu but wanted to use it with KDE, that’s the only reason i left ubuntu because the KDE packages on Universe would give some troubles that I didn’t want to spend time fixing.
Ubuntu will go on without change using Gnome and Kubuntu will use KDE, what’s the problem? how does it affect you or anyone that complains about this?, it’s not like they spoiled ubuntu cause unless you specifically install kubuntu you won’t even notice the difference.
Great job to the devs, I just installed 30 mins ago and I’m lovin’ the whole thing.
I guess i’ll say good bye to arch after all
Because there’s never enough duplication of effort in open source.
Aah, Darwin would be proud, natural selection at work… heh, heh
– look forward to trying Kubuntu, although re:kde find kdebase largely sufficient at the mo.
# pacman -Sy kdebase
(on Arch) – plenty of room though
apt-get install kubuntu-desktop is different than this? The wallpapers are different compared to the one I donwloaded with Ubuntu?
Nasty *nixheadses, they KDE’d up Ubuntu! Took our beautiful brown hippy linux and made it cold and blue, my precious! No more little peopleses in the logo, but ring gears and shift forks, stupid fat automatic transmission cross section logo. We hates it my precious, we hates it!
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But seriously, though I’ve no intention of loading Kubuntu on my computers, I think the whole concept is kind of neat and it helps grow the total Ubuntu userbase and community and that’s a good thing.
And really, the logo does look like something out of an automatic transmission … which kinda fits the industrial color scheme and KDE environment. Nice little bit of graphic design, that.
after having some annoying problems in gnome ( files wouldn’t show up in gnomes file manager unless I opened a term and did ls) I tried to apt-get install kde but it errored about not finding kde addons. When I tried just kdebase it errored about not finding dependencies but not saying which ones >.<
There is something about ubuntu that I like, but it seems as if the apt repositories are broken at the moment a lot of missing files including the kernel-source for the installed kernel. I may try it again when 5.04 goes final
A visually pleasing element about the new release of KDE is how it renders tool tips. I wish the GTK+ project could implement something similar.
No probles, at all. Maybe join a #kubuntu or #ubuntu and seek for online help. 🙂
sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
Make sure you have Hoary Universe uncommented in your repo list.
Shhhh. You’ll start a kerfluffle with language like that.
Sorry, wouldn’t want anyone here to have a Kniptchin.
Over the past few months I’ve been watching the ubuntu distro hits on distrowatch and ubuntu has been climbing steadily and far surpasses any distro hits in past month. We might be seeing two distros ubuntu/kubuntu becoming the standard linux platform. One for kde and other for gnome users. I see nothing wrong with this and little bit of competition is healthy I think. You need it even in FOSS and because of human feelings you are always going to have someone forking off or working on their own stuff. Even if you organize the thing there is a limit on how many cooks you can have in the kitchen and what about those who can’t get in? They too like to do some FOSS development. Since they’re working on their dime they have a say in what they would like to work on not what anyone else tells them to work on.
Why? Because it’s Ubuntu (in this word meaning). You think about Ubuntu as a GNOME-centric distribution. It’s a partly true. Think about Ubuntu project as it was a backbone that would provide Ubuntu spirit.
KDE guys are working on KDE part, GNOME guys are working on GNOME. Why they should double Kernel-team efforts? We share same nerve system here.
You should take it as an example, where core-hard-core-developers from GNOME fame coworks in a fine manner with KDE developers. It so much different from what I see in forums, when the DE vs. DE wars are constatnly rised.
“We might be seeing two distros ubuntu/kubuntu becoming the standard linux platform.”
I wouldn’t mind that at all.
“Ubuntu will go on without change using Gnome and Kubuntu will use KDE, what’s the problem? how does it affect you or anyone that complains about this?”
Now thats not fair!
I wasn’t ‘complaining’ at all, I was simply suprised at the existance of Kubuntu. It seemed so unlikly to me, expecially so soon after Ubuntu came into existance. Not liking KDE at all though, I guess maybe its just difficult to understand the need to add KDE to everything… *wink*
> You’ve always had KDE in universe anyway
And now it’s in main (which means it’s officially supported), it’s branded and polished, will have tools not depending on Gtk+ (kynaptic, …), has its own installation and live cd media, own documentation and so on.
> the whole point behind Ubuntu is that its a Gnome centered debian disto.
You got something wrong there. The whole point behind Ubuntu is “to fix Debian” (for desktop).
> Seriously, what is it you guys are looking for in Kubuntu?
KDE, a nice desktop environment.
> All the Canonical funds goto Gnome development.
As you see now a small part of funds and resources go into deploying KDE.
I’ve been playing around with it now for a few days and it’s really impressive, especially considering that it is a first release, or not even a first release yet.
To all those people asking why, the question is, why not? It doesn’t take away anything from Ubuntu, it only makes it even better. The Ubuntu devs can still work fulltime at delivering a kickass OS based on Gnome, while others are now taking care of maintaining KDE and providing a great KDE desktop for those who want it and tested and working KDE packages for the whole project.
And where exactly did anyone claim that the whole point of Ubuntu was to deliver a Gnome desktop? I didn’t read any such thing from the devs. On the contrary, I rember Jeff Waugh telling people on the mailing lists and even here on osnews that great things were to come regarding KDE and Ubuntu and now we can see how right he was.
> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop is different than this?
If you also do “apt-get install kubuntu-default-settings”, no.
another fork of a fork distro, now we’ll have Kubuntu VS dragonfly zealots
It’s not a fork.
Yes, I just dropped gnome for this new kde. I have a problem with “extract here” not working, but that’s apparently just a regression ( http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79775 ).
Seriously, congrats Kubunt and kde team.
FOr more people wondering how to isntall it ubuntu: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
Firstly Kubuntu is a daft name. Kthis has been getting old for a long time. Please, please, please come up with something a little different, names really do matter. Even just Ubuntu KDE edition would be fine. And drop the whole KGX thing, I thought that silly and useless acronym had died off 4 years ago. God knows Linux/GNU/whatever needs less acronyms rather than more.
Secondly, this is a great idea. KDE has improved significantly over the last few releases; it just needs a little more polish (and at the risk of being accused of trolling, some options removed/moved). As a former devoted GNOME user, I’m posting this from KDE 3.4, which I have decided to use full time. It’s good stuff. The idea of a clean, well organised Debian-based KDE distro is a good one, and I have been reasonably impressed with Ubuntu, so hopefully Kubuntu will meet and exceed the standard set by it’s sister distribution, and make some of KDE’s insane defaults sane.
Lastly, application choices. I hope they make Konqueror the only web browser; it’s works on pretty much every page I’ve tried it on, and it’s far lighter and better integrated than any of Mozilla’s offerings. I also hope they offer amaroK as the default audio player, as it is by far the best audio I have EVER used, and was a key part of getting me personally to make the switch to KDE. Also I hope they use the GTK-QT theming engine – I’m using it right now and it’s very, very good. The GIMP *almost* looks and feels like any other KDE application with it.
Konqueror is the only browser, amaroK is already included and Gtk-Qt is on the todo list.
Just installed it – generally impressed, an excellent first release
– however – as ever, a few too many relatively “rarely used” kde utils/apps included (for me personally) – personally prefer, with Arch or Gentoo just installing kdebase and then adding a couple of bits and pieces on-top – but all in all an excelent first release and look forward to future releases – will now apt-get install kdeartwork and firestarter 
The app selection/menu organization is by far not final, feel free to contribute your thoughts in the http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu pages
do you know the difference between a Primary disk partition and a extended/logical disk partitions,
with primary disk partitions you can only make four disk partitions, so what you need to do is make three primary disk partitions and an extended disk partition, then within that extended disk partition you can make as many logical disk partitions as you want…
Firstly Kubuntu is a daft name. Kthis has been getting old for a long time. Please, please, please come up with something a little different, names really do matter. Even just Ubuntu KDE edition would be fine.
Well, it may surprise you (it surely surprised me!) but KUBUNTU is an actual african word, just like UBUNTU is…
ubuntu -> humanity
kubuntu -> to humanity
(taken from the http://dot.kde.org forums)
> Well, it may surprise you (it surely surprised me!) but >KUBUNTU is an actual african word, just like UBUNTU is…
>
> ubuntu -> humanity
> kubuntu -> to humanity
wow! this is so cool!!!
> Well, it may surprise you (it surely surprised me!) but
> KUBUNTU is an actual african word, just like UBUNTU is…
> ubuntu -> humanity
> kubuntu -> to humanity
Yes, but I’m holding out for Xubuntu. Is that a word?
> Yes, but I’m holding out for Xubuntu. Is that a word?
I’m just holding out for Xfubuntu.
Not really, I’m very happy with Gnome right now. I think Kubuntu is a very good thing. I have a friend who was wary about switching from Windows because he preferred KDE and this gave him enough reason to.
No, but Gnubuntu is actually a word. Just kidding.
I have tried Mepis. And, it is a pretty good distro. But, it feels so loosely coupled together. It has distro specific tools that don’t work. For me, I think that’s the most annoying thing.
Mepis isn’t a bad distro. It’s just that I wasn’t completely satisfied with it and I tried Ubuntu. After a less than stellar install experience, things went great and then got better. So, I’ve stuck with Ubuntu.
It’s not like I said, “Hmmm. What’s a good KDE centric distro?” Then, lacking a sufficient answer, said “I know, I’ll take a Gnome centric distro and convert it!”
I can’t see or think of anything *buntu specific that is on my desktop now (using KDE). So, for me, what Kubuntu offers me is a glue to a Debian based install with up-to-date KDE packages. I don’t think you can name another distro offering KDE 3.4, can you?
I’ve always thought that KDE should release its own distro. This is close to it.
Only suggestion that I can offer to the Kubuntu team is, don’t import the Gnome menus into the KDE menus. They clutter it up.
You could install KDE using Ubuntu Warty just fine. I don’t see what has been gained from this. Like Ubuntu? Like KDE? Go install it. I don’t think it warrants almost a new separate distro just to change a few packages for a default install.
1. The kde apps in ubuntu are now actually actively maintained. -> Good thing
2. With creating Kubuntu many outside developers became involved in Ubuntu and in maintaining said kde packages. -> Good thing
3. By providing a seperate release (not a seperate distro) ubuntu can stay true to one of its claims to fame, offer a usable, fullfeatured desktop on one CD. -> Good thing
So what exactly is your problem?
4. It’s not a separate distro, just separate install media.
“I don’t think you can name another distro offering KDE 3.4, can you? ”
I can, Suse 9.3. But I did try out Kubuntu, I did like it, but there are some bugs that need to be worked out before the final. Other then that, it is great.
~Alan
Why are there so many dead links at OSNews? The link to the screenshots at OSDirectory (http://shots.osdir.com/)is just the latest one.
OSnews gets as powerful as /. in the “bring the server down” aspect.
Is SUSE 9.3 available?
From the website:
“SUSE LINUX Professional 9.3 is due out in mid-April, 2005”
Nah.. wasn’t OSNews. We’ll be back up in a bit
what about another fork with xfce 4.2?
What do I mean…
Kubuntu … the KDE one
Gubuntu … the Gnome one
It would be ideal in a way for the Ubuntu team to name their distros in the manner shown…
Just an Idea…
Kubuntu is no fork. Just volunteer for Xfce!
> what about another fork with xfce 4.2?
1.) It’s not a fork but a different installation media with different defaults.
2.) Why not? Just do it!
Xubuntu? Damn… that would be sweet.
Call your congressman!
Actually, if you believe this link:
http://dot.kde.org/1111118006/
Kubuntu actually means something:
ubuntu == ‘humanity’
kubuntu == ‘to humanity’
So kubuntu isn’t just a silly KDE convention of prefixing everything with a k.
It wouldn’t make sense to call the current GNOME-centric Ubuntu, gubuntu. GNOME gave up the g prefixing ages ago and gubuntu isn’t a word.
> I’ve always thought that KDE should release its own distro. This is close to it.
And it also puts the work that went into the kalyxo project to good use (instead of duplicating the effort).
> Only suggestion that I can offer to the Kubuntu team is, don’t import the Gnome menus into the KDE menus. They clutter it up.
I think they’ll get picked up automatically if they put their .desktop file in the proper place. KDE adheres to the freedesktop menu specification. So if you want to have clean menus I’d say don’t install so many apps and uninstall what you don’t use…
I’m seeing Kubuntu now!
Just did a install(on a spare drive) with Kubuntu tonight just… to try..and..oh boy…
Nice!! I do prefer Gnome(Sid/Sarge—Desktop/Server)…but…THIS is NICE!
KDE 3.4 is good!!!
From someone who likes Gnome….(PS:I am gonna stay with Gnome).
Zetor
The last few versions of this browser have been unable to access some sites:
“www.lun.com”
This is a spanish (chile) newspaper which has a page covered with small rectangles, wthin which is some text and, often, a thumbnail photo. There is no problem with the ones that have a photo, but with the text only ones the cursor does not change and the news item cannot be accessed.(Mozilla works fine)
Konqueror in Mepis 2003.08 worked fine on this site. hoping that version 3.4 would have corrected this bug.
“KDE 3.4 is good!!!”
That’s a far cry from the usual comments for a KDE release. I’m very much looking forward to trying it
(and I loved KDE already).
Reading the release page, I saw that GDM was included in addition to KDM. Does anyone know why they did this?
> Reading the release page, I saw that GDM was included in addition to KDM.
Where did you read that? It’s not true. kdm of KDE 3.4 can also theme the login greeter.
To all of the Gnome people who say “you can just install KDE later”:
One of the reasons why I first tried Ubuntu was because it had a live-CD. The reason why I dropped it was because it used Gnome. I prefer KDE, so instead of installing it later I went for Debian.
If Kubuntu had existed then, mabye I would have stuck with it.
I am a long time MDK user but I gotta confess Kubuntu impressed me hugely. After running the LiveCD for 10 minutes I couldn’t resist and I just had to isntall the whole thing in a free partition here.
Looks like good old mandrake will be alone for a while, due to the huge number of stuff readily available in the hoary repositories, and _especially_ because MDK unfortunately is way behind in the KDE releases, hell KDE 3.4 is out already and there’s no official mdk with 3.3 out yet (yeah I know we can find it in the extra CD and all but it broke my system badly)
Great work, Ubuntu/Kubuntu guys.
> Where did you read that?
http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/documentation.php#start-session-kde
> It’s not true.
> kdm of KDE 3.4 can also theme the login greeter.
Errr, what is not true? I was just curious as to why they included GDM if this is a KDE oriented distro. Who said anything about theming KDM??
Maybe you should actually read the documentation?
“The main objective [of this document] is to explain how to install KDE for Ubuntu on a system already running the GNOME desktop.”
Of course a Ubuntu (no ‘K’) system includes GDM.
“You could install KDE using Ubuntu Warty just fine. I don’t see what has been gained from this. Like Ubuntu? Like KDE? Go install it. I don’t think it warrants almost a new separate distro just to change a few packages for a default install.”
…because I prefer KDE and I don’t need Gnome chewing up my HD space.
I installed it last night to replace my dodgy Suse 9.2 install. Overall, I like it. Lots of software to choose from after adding some extra repositories, decent defaults – except for anti-aliased fonts turned off by default (??). The choice of oo.org 1.1.3 was a nasty surprise though. Good lord it’s ugly! I hope the move to 2.0 won’t take too long…
> except for anti-aliased fonts turned off by default (??).
> The choice of oo.org 1.1.3 was a nasty surprise though. Good lord it’s ugly!
All known problems to be fixed for final release: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuPreviewKnownProblems