With servers, where there is a good economic model, Linux would clearly remain favored over Apple because of much deeper support from companies like HP and IBM. But on the desktop, for most users, Tiger is the clear winner. It has better desktop application bundles, better customer support, better hardware, good value and is easier to use. Read more here. Also, firm expects Apple to grab 4% US market share.
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Since Linux runs on the same hardware as Tiger (at least that’s an option), how can one conclude Tiger “has better hardware”? Even if you assumed that you’d use 64-bit or 32-bit x86 systems to run it, how could one conclude that the Apple hardware is “better” without first identifying what you are doing with it? I’m not saying that Apple’s PPC platform isn’t the best solution for some tasks, but it would be hard to argue that it’s superior for all, or even an impressive majority.
Likewise with software (though I would say that Apple probably has a better setup out-of-the-box for typical home-based use).
Customer support probably goes to Linux, but only by a bit. While not formalized the same way Apple’s support, there are a larger number of forums devoted to the subject matter and a larger base of knowledgable users. You also frequently have access to the original author’s of your software.
… and marketshare is a deceptive measure and difficult to calculate. Most articles I’ve read to date cite that Linux has a greater desktop marketshare than OS/X right now, and both are growing at about the same rate.
As far as customer support is concerned… call me crazy, but I don’t regard customer support (at least with regard to desktop computers are concerned) online support as good as telephone support. While I recognize the fact that telephone support exists for Linux does exist, the fact that its not governed by a single company (at least in my opinion) makes it the lesser of the two. If we’re talking about online support… i think the two are very similar.
The market share issue… (as you mention) is a misleading term but only because it refers to sales figures… not the total number of installations in use. The context you were using market share should actually be install base. While I too have see some reports implying that Linux is great… I’ve seen the same of Mac installs. The truth is, there hasn’t been any published reports to make an accurate comparison anyways. It’s in Microsoft’s best interests to fund “market share” research because it makes their competitors look smaller and its not in Linux companies or Apple’s best interest to fund publicly available install base studies as it will still make them look small… (just less small than the market share studies do.
One thing to keep in mind for the linux installs is that the vast majority of Linux’s install base comes from server installations… not desktop usage. Regardless of this, its always been my understanding that the two are pretty similar in install base anyways.
It’s always been my opinion that people should stop trying to talk market share or install abse as most people (especially on this site it seems) tend to get it wrong)
Next time tell us that you’re linking to an Enderle article rather than posting a blind link. It’s almost as bad as slashdot’s goatse trolls -.-
Gotta love that first paragraph… Mr. Enderle implies that Apple copied microsoft rather than the other way around.
Isn’t Enderle one of those people I have on my bought list?
*reads article*
Yes yes he is:
“On the product side, Tiger has a number of features that appear to have been pulled from Longhorn’s preview last year. The biggest one is “smart search,” a feature that allows you to rapidly search ePilot Search Engine Advertising – Click here to add your site today. a variety of file types to find what you need.”
Yes the company who got it to market over a year first has stolen it from the other’s pre-alpha! Because no one thought of this 10 years ago; it’s truly a new idea.
Implies??? more like states it as fact. Enderle has been and always will be a twat who nevers seems to let the facts get in the way of an article.
“Next time tell us that you’re linking to an Enderle article rather than posting a blind link. It’s almost as bad as slashdot’s goatse trolls -.-”
I think one could make a very good argument that Enderle is indeed worse than goatse…
quote: “Borrowing heavily from what we had seen in Longhorn (Microsoft’s next version of Windows) last year, Tiger is an impressive piece of work.”
I don’t know where Microsoft got the idea for it’s “spot light” technology but if we were to look at Apple versus Microsoft only, then the article is correct and it would definately be Apple stealing the idea from Microsoft. I am one of those that believe that Microsoft has never had an original idea so I doubt that it was invented in Microsoft. But Apple out right stole the idea from Microsoft and got it out first. I guess that’s what Microsoft gets for talking about all the features their vaporware OS will have.
Anyways, I’m not pulling this out of my ass. You can go back three to four years back and you will see that Microsoft has been preaching WinFS, a database based file system that will revolutionize computers and document management. Document management has always been a high priority for Longhorn.
“I think one could make a very good argument that Enderle is indeed worse than goatse…”
That argument would probably make for a more informing read than this article.
If that’s true, Microsoft has some pathetic developers. That or they just think they need more features to sell it.
It’s not an original idea, it’s old as the hills.
i would say you’re indeed pulling this straight out of your ass. This is beos stuff, implemented by the people who used to work for beos, that now code for apple. And it won’t , according to microsoft, be included in longwait either, maybe the one after that. Unless they completely change thier mind ( re, feel the heat from open-source and apple) once again.
This guy is total twat , Enderle, who has a very slick way of twisting everything around to make it sound good for microsoft, also ran for everyone else. Too bad, this site seems to include way to many cats like this. Anybody know of a better news site, at least one that’s not so chok full of mine’s better than yours crap? I don’t mind a spirited debate, but way too much finger pointing going on here for my liking….
If you take a closer look at the chronology you will see that Apple announced spotlight first, and then actually demoed it first and THEN actually released it first. I find it odd that people protest that MS came up with the idea first and Apple somehow managed to do a ground up implementation in a little over a year and make it work well whereas MS had to drop it from the initial release of Longhorn. Makes MS look pretty bad.
Microsoft made vague allusions to a new search feature in it’s laundry list (now pared down) of features for it’s next generation OS (which means your kids will be the ones who see it released).
By slash (IP: —.dia.cust.qwest.net) – Posted on 2005-05-02 21:11:48
“I don’t know where Microsoft got the idea for it’s “spot light” technology but if we were to look at Apple versus Microsoft only, then the article is correct and it would definately be Apple stealing the idea from Microsoft. I am one of those that believe that Microsoft has never had an original idea so I doubt that it was invented in Microsoft. But Apple out right stole the idea from Microsoft and got it out first. I guess that’s what Microsoft gets for talking about all the features their vaporware OS will have.
Anyways, I’m not pulling this out of my ass. You can go back three to four years back and you will see that Microsoft has been preaching WinFS, a database based file system that will revolutionize computers and document management. Document management has always been a high priority for Longhorn.”
Oh My GOD! The thieves! How could they? Hmmm. Wait a minute… Didn’t Apple invent/commercialise “utility” programs for the Macintosh circa 1983-1984? Didn’t they come out with patents re: desktop search at least as early as 1991. Didn’t they come out with the Sherlock search app years ago. Also, by purchasing NeXT Computer Inc., didn’t Apple also acquire the Digital Librarian sofware going as far back as 1988? (Digital Librarian was an uber desktop indexing app!).
Copied the damn -horn OS they surely did… NOT!
This site appears to be more and more microsoft centric with fewer references to alternative operating systems. Linking to Enderle and O’Gara, who appear to be paid shills, destroys the impartiality and objectivity OSNEWS editors claim. This site used to be about news, now it has become and opinion forum. Name should be changed, since there is less and less news and more articles with agendas being linked.
“Anybody know of a better news site, at least one that’s not so chok full of mine’s better than yours crap? I don’t mind a spirited debate, but way too much finger pointing going on here for my liking….”
I started visiting http://www.osviews.com because of that reason you mention.
“This site appears to be more and more microsoft centric with fewer references to alternative operating systems. Linking to Enderle and O’Gara, who appear to be paid shills, destroys the impartiality and objectivity OSNEWS editors claim. This site used to be about news, now it has become and opinion forum. Name should be changed, since there is less and less news and more articles with agendas being linked.”
completely agree.
FTFA:
“I’m a gamer so i’ll be sticking with windows.”
whoopee fricken doo! you know if you chose desktop linux or OS-X and enough of your fellow gamers did the same they would develop games on linux and os-x in conjuction with windows. and best of all they would have to do it sans Direct X.
Not really an accurate statement.
Dominic Giampaolo joined Apple in March 2002 and Spotlight is shipping and working NOW. The idea of an indexing file system has been something that Apple has been working on even in MacOS 9 so the idea in general is not original to Apple or Microsoft.
I don’t know of a shipping version of Windows that has anything close to Spotlight so lets not talk about Longhorn as if it is a shipping product.
i agree to that too.
the articles on this site has a very low quality.
It seems to be that everyone, no matter of his/her background knowledge, can write some stupid “comparions” or “reviews” here.
Pease post news, and link to high quality articles only.
I don’t know where Microsoft got the idea for it’s “spot light” technology but if we were to look at Apple versus Microsoft only, then the article is correct and it would definately be Apple stealing the idea from Microsoft. I am one of those that believe that Microsoft has never had an original idea so I doubt that it was invented in Microsoft. But Apple out right stole the idea from Microsoft and got it out first. I guess that’s what Microsoft gets for talking about all the features their vaporware OS will have.
This is a very easy one to debunk. When you’re developing an OS and you’re planning the roadmap, you’re first determining what it is that you’re going to offer in your system. If it’s any good, it will address user stated concerns, incorporate new research and methodology and a boatload of testing.
What you do NOT do is to look at the other guy’s stuff in demo, while you’re working on your own and having already determined what you’re going to implement, and then go: “wait a minute, we gotta have that too”.
Functionality on the level of Spotlight is not something you bolt onto your system and stick on with duct tape. It is a recipe for disaster. You would have to marry someone else’s idea with whatever it was that your designers had come up with and were in the process of implementing.
Spotlight works system-wide and dynamically updates an index. That is not something you implement in an afternoon while you were working on some other gizmos. A software company cannot work like that. If it was a minor feature, perhaps, but if it was that minor they wouldn’t bother changing the plan.
Implementing SpotLight is a major engineering effort that takes real assets, real time and real money. You cannot rip it off as “good idea, let’s do it”.
I’ll go one further: if I knew Apple worked that way and added this kind of functionality in such a slip-shod way, I would not trust it to work well and I would not install it.
It does not work that way, people. It is not possible. It costs too much people, it costs too much time, it’s too expensive. What if they run into trouble because of their haste in ripping off Microsoft and they can’t finish their development cycle because this SpotLight thing is breaking the system like a tank driving through a China store? Not good, not good at all.
You cannot develop software on the level of an operating system that way.
And, it’s been said already: if that was really how it was done, it would be shame on Microsoft for coming up with the original idea and then having to drop it when they were a year earlier in their development cycle and, for having to drop it, STILL be a year later than the competition who was able to implement the original idea. It would speak badly of Apple, but it would speak worse for Microsoft. Whatever your take on the OS preference, one thing nobody can deny, friend or foe: Tiger is on my system NOW, the cow will leave the barn somewhere this century and apparently they cannot even guarantee it’s going to be next year.
If Apple is not doing anything right, what is Microsoft doing wrong?
This site is going downhill, but not because of a somehow questionable lack of objectivity. It’s going downhill because of the non-stop junk being posted in response to the articles. I got tired of Slashdot because of this same thing and now this site is sinking down to that low level.
A few weeks ago posters where whining about the number of Linspire and Xandros reviews, and now others are whining about the lack of alternative OS coverage? Gee, you think that maybe this site happens to link to whatever topic is in the news a lot on a particular day or week? Because of WinHEC there is a flurry of Longhorn news and now the site is shilling for MS somehow? Tiger got released and there is a flurry of articles on it – should the site now be accused of being somehow anti-OSS or anti-Microsoft? The posts about this are almost as stupid as complaining about the level of detail given to the installation procedure on a Linux install. If you don’t care for the topic, or way an article is written – stop reading it! Whining or attacking the site’s objectivity because you don’t agree with the opinion of the author of an article is just ridiculous.
Sheez. An OS is a tool, not a religion – relax!
Its obvious, for a variety of reasons which i am not inclined to mention at length here, that this reviewer is a complete moron and probably a microsoft minion
You got point! Could someone please tell me, sincerely, what does Longhorn has that is innovative and worth the update?
Longhorn was supposed to have a new file system (WinFS), but that was dropped. Longhorn was supposed to have a new graphics subsystem (Avalon), but that will be released for XP. Longhorn was supposed to have a new version of IE, but that will be released for XP as well. So as far as I can tell, there will be nothing in Longhorn that is Longhorn-specific at all, except maybe (MAYBE) a less hideous theme than Luna.
I like how MS has been promising WinFS since Longhorn was called Cairo in the mid-90s and still can’t get it out the door. I also think it’s interesting that MS originally promised Longhorn for 2003 and now they’re saying that it won’t be out the door until christmas 2006, which unless you’re a complete idiot you know means 2007 at the earliest. When they said 2003, were they outright lying, or did they really mis-calculate by a factor of FOUR YEARS?
Knowing their history of using vaporware announcements to their advantage and then pushing back the release dates indefinitely, I’d have to say that they were lying. And 2006 is a lie as well.
No, the problem is people who breeze comments and then make blanket statements about their contents. These responses have been pretty decent. People are attempting to debunk this idea that Apple has copied a feature Microsoft hasn’t released.
People are also warning others that Enderle doesn’t know what he’s talking about, and it’s true. The man seems to know very little about software. I think even MS shills (and I’m making no accusation) would think he stands up for MS on the oddest things.
So you calm down and get off people’s backs. I haven’t hardly even seen any trolling in this thread. Did you pick this spot to complain because it’s moderately calm and lacks a good flame?
One of my jobs/hobbies is rebuilding computers for use by families that have children and cannot afford a computer. So while Tiger may be great – It will not run anything that does not cost too much – XP sucks on a 500Mhz P3 – That leaves only Linux – so that is what all our referbished systems get.
The families that get these machines love them and have little or no problem using them. (Most will never need or see the command line.) Linux may not be as great as Tirge on Apple – but it does work well and the price is right for us.
Exactly! What all the people who gripe about “oh if you install linux you won’t be able to buy software for it at Best Buy” don’t realize is that, if you properly configure a Linux box, you don’t need to buy any more commercial software. If the computer can do word processing, spreadsheets, pdfs, instant messaging, cd burning, web browsing, play/download music, and play DVDs, you’ve got most everything people would need a computer for covered right there. Why would they go to a store to buy more software if everything they need is already there?
How much ram do those p3’s have? xp should run fine on a 500mhz p3 with 128mb of ram..
The last thing I want to do is have more trolling on these forums. I am no Microsoft fanboy, but the non-stop junk that pours out of everyone the moment that company’s name is brought up just gets old. If anyone dares to say anything other than a scathing attack on Microsoft they are accused of being a shill or paid off. Paul Thurott is regularly ripped here and yet if people actually read his site on a regular basis, they’d see he is quite fair. He gives them credit when they deserve it and he reams them when they deserve that as well. I’m sure now I’ll be ripped for saying this, but oh well – it’s par for the course here.
Paul Thurrot and Rob Enderle are not of the same breed. Rob Enderle is more like FOX News, and Paul Thurrot is more like CNN. Did you read that Enderle article? Honestly I think Rupert Murdoch himself would be impressed with that level of spin. How, exactly, did Apple copy spotlight from an early alpha of Longhorn in which the feature wasn’t even present? That early Alpha that MS released of Longhorn last year was just Windows XP with a different theme, it had NONE of the features implemented that they were saying they were going to include at the time. And now they’re saying that they aren’t going to include those features at all, so where was the “borrowing”?
People on here are hard on Microsoft because we’re all educated in the history of the industry and we know Microsoft’s tactics inside and out and we’re fed up with them, and we’re fed up with the mainstream media not catching on.
Note to most U.S citizens: Yes, this was indeed sarcastic.
Yes Julian.. U.S. Citizens (myself included) Are a complete bunch of morons who do not understand this strange concept called sarcasm.
This site became a lost cause about 3 years ago when a bunch of slashdotters came long and wrecked the site. Eugenia doesn’t even care anymore, and has stated on more than one occassion that she rarely reads the comments.
So you’ve got the OSS cult zealots, the anti-MS freaks, and other assorted misfits that have ruined the site. Of course 99% of these people are just end-users, don’t understand operating systems except for the gui that they’re given, but continue to blather on about things their feeble minds have no possibility of comprehending.
At this point, OSNews should just close down shop for about month, and revamp the entire site, with a moderation system that will stuff these fanboys into oblivion.
Eugenia and David Adams understand all of this, but they just don’t seem to care anymore. And it’s probably not worthy their time anyway, since OSNews brings in about $70/month in ad revenue.
It sure seems that way. It’s too bad since I am interested in technology and operating systems and this is a good place to find articles. I guess I’m just not as passionate as some here. To me, an operating system is a tool, not a religion. I use XP, Linux and now have a MacMini so I am up to speed on most of these things. I just don’t get the blind hatred or the need to rip just about every article posted.
Most replies seem to boil down to a few hot spots.
If the articles are about Linux, people complain about the distro or how much KDE/GNome suck.
If the article is about OSX, people get smug about how superior their OS is and ramble on about who copied which feature from who.
If the article is about Microsoft, people just complain about everything.
Oh well, I have wasted enuf time – maybe I should just read the articles and skip the posts!
I think i been watching too much that show
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But to point out how this is just another piece of topic. How the hell is Tiger so big deal to Microsoft, it isn’t! In order to even run Tiger you need to buy Apple and say goodbye to games and lots of other things you cant have on Mac.
And why Tiger so much like Longhorn will be, i doubt it is. Lets take look some things that i haven’t found in Tiger. Where is 3D?!? Now i seen demos of Longhorn and WinFX, hell i been making some 3D stuff with CTP, and i haven’t seen any picture of samekind a demos in Tiger.
Spotlight vs. WinFS, now this is intresting because in fact Microsoft has samekind a technique as spotlight in the desktop search, sure it’s a plugin but still very much same, so why is WinFS so late? Because it will be totally different, dont know why but spending so much to include technique that Microsoft already has to implement inside OS, is insane. So you think Apple which has fewer developers working would bring new things before Microsoft which has much more, i doubt.
And those who has seen the demo of new filemanager, did you notice how you can zoom in to document. You can actually read document inside your filemanager, haven’t seen any picture of that feature in Tiger.
So yes, Tiger might be nice OS, have some new things, but it won’t be something that makes Microsoft or PC-world shake they knees. That’s bullshit.
Yes, Windows XP runs fine on a 500MHz p3 with 128MB RAM. But I think those people will want to run some applications on top of that as well.
If so, what?
Implementing other peoples’ ideas is called competition.
Or did MS steal from Apple?
I dont care.
I want the best OS possible for my money, I dont care whether its manufactured by Steve or Steve… (Ballmer vs Jobs)
I’m sure Enderle is just trolling comparing Tiger vs. Linux vs. 64-bit XP here – he thinks that Apple is a better solution than either Windows or Linux (that’s very debatable) and also claims that Apple has “vastly better support” (also dubious).
I particularly like his hare-brained idea of bundling Apple desktops with Linux servers – never mind the fact that it’ll lead to some intergration issues, companies don’t always buy their servers and desktops at the same time, a fact that’s completely passed Enderle by.
Also note that comparing Tiger (which can run on any Mac released in the last 3 years or so) vs. Win XP 64-bit (which can only run on a handful of AMD64/EMD64T desktops and still doesn’t have the driver support of 32-bit XP yet) is tilting the scales somewhat in favour of Tiger, especially when you can run 32-bit XP on 64-bit desktops (which is what I’m doing).
Personally, I found 64-bit Fedora Core 3 to work best for me – recognised all my hardware (unlike XP !!), it’s free and it works nicely.
As usual, I might add.
Except two statements which make his article appear as unbiased, it is the usual Microsoft-over-everything article I come to expect from Rob Enderle.
Important facts are wrong, like Apple borrowing the search functionality from Longhorn (giggle), or Linux desktops being inferior (I am happily using two linux desktops currently. One at home – one at work) and the usability is the same as with every desktop – what you make of it.
Rob Enderle never USED a Linux desktop during the last 2 years, otherwise he would have to come to the conclusion, that you can do all the tasks you can do with Windows and OS X equally efficient in any Linux desktop, even more so as Linux desktops can be configured to support any usage pattern I can think of.
I will ignore the BIG BIG trolls he put into the article, but here is some lesser ones I spotted..
I’m not one of those who thinks that using a competitor is a bad idea
is this self admitted that he is paid by microsoft ???
as well as software hobbyists. Granted, this second group only constitutes less than one percent of the market, but they, like their “hardware-modder” counterparts are very hands on and often very active in forums, sometimes seeming to be a much larger group then they actually are.
he seems to think there is less than 1% of computer users who use linux to tinker… and then go on forums and shout about linux is great/ windows is crap
if you have to use Windows at work, moving between the two user interfaces is painful and should make you less productive on the Windows machine
does this guy think everyone using computers are retarded ?
Apple has yet to come out with an OS I can use, and until they do, ugly name and all, I’m on Windows and waiting for Longhorn
Until you receive your copy of Longhorn, (release, not a preview/beta/taster/ whatever), get it fully installed and working, then please stay the fuck away from your keyboard and stop comingo off with shit articles like this.
To the site — this guy is a knobjockey, please dont print his crap again.
Will the NVIDIA drivers (GNU/Linux) be compiled for PPC anytime soon? That would be an important brick in the puzzle.
Yes Julian.. U.S. Citizens (myself included) Are a complete bunch of morons who do not understand this strange concept called sarcasm.
That’s why I wrote most U.S. citizens. I didn’t want to believe it, but it turns out that lots of you really aren’t familiar with this strange concept and take every word seriously.
No, it was ironic. Just to note the difference.
No, in (American) English it’s sarcastic. Irony comes out of a situation, that’s the difference. But in German it would have been “ironisch”, and probably in Finnish too, whatever.
But to point out how this is just another piece of topic. How the hell is Tiger so big deal to Microsoft, it isn’t! In order to even run Tiger you need to buy Apple and say goodbye to games and lots of other things you cant have on Mac.
its such a big deal because they delivered about as much as what microsoft promised with longhorn.
And why Tiger so much like Longhorn will be, i doubt it is. Lets take look some things that i haven’t found in Tiger. Where is 3D?!? Now i seen demos of Longhorn and WinFX, hell i been making some 3D stuff with CTP, and i haven’t seen any picture of samekind a demos in Tiger.
OSX has had 3d compositing for years now. linux will have it before microsoft does.
Spotlight vs. WinFS, now this is intresting because in fact Microsoft has samekind a technique as spotlight in the desktop search, sure it’s a plugin but still very much same, so why is WinFS so late? Because it will be totally different, dont know why but spending so much to include technique that Microsoft already has to implement inside OS, is insane. So you think Apple which has fewer developers working would bring new things before Microsoft which has much more, i doubt.
microsoft will be releasing something along the lines of spotlight with longhorn, except possibly less integrated, as the technology will be more or less a placeholder for winfs. winfs goes beyond spotlight, but most of the differences wont be aparent to the end user. once again, the big deal is that it exists NOW in tiger, and who knows when with longhorn.
And those who has seen the demo of new filemanager, did you notice how you can zoom in to document. You can actually read document inside your filemanager, haven’t seen any picture of that feature in Tiger.
in GNOME, the icon for a text document will have actual text from the document on it. in KDE, you can set up virtually anything to open in konquorer. this isnt exactly revolutionary stuff, and most people end up turning it off. (if you want a text editor, you launch a text editor)
So yes, Tiger might be nice OS, have some new things, but it won’t be something that makes Microsoft or PC-world shake they knees. That’s bullshit.
half of longhorn wouldnt exist if apple didnt have osx. the only way to get microsoft to do something is say “everyone else already has it, and people will start to realise that”. look at ie, total stagnation after netscape went belly up. now that firefox is taking off, all of a sudden we’ve got more activity in ie then in years.
microsoft isnt a big idea company. they dont really innovate, what they do is listen to what their customers want (in order of how big a customer they are of course), and just wait for other people to come up with the big ideas so they can implement them.
and dont listen to enderle, he’s an idiot.
Read Enderle’s site. Trust me, the guy’s either insane or he’s been bought. I mean geez, just read the article. He makes blanket statements without supporting them; he just assumes the reader will know what he’s talking about. You shouldn’t get on people’s cases for warning readers they are about to read something stupid.
If you had to deal with other people and these OS’s you might begin seeing things a little bit differently. I think most people’s views of a lot of this stuff will change around once they’ve done some tech support or seen people come into a shop with problems or had to do onsite tech service.
Hardware is nice because you can just tell the customer “you can’t do anything without parts, we’ll send someone with parts.” Software is a pain because the customer knows full well that he has all the tangible tools available to him that you do and he wants a quick fix now.
OS’s may not be a religion. However, some people do have a vested interest in one’s success over another. Personally, I got sick of hearing everyone complain when MSblast and Sasser were big. Why? It’s stupid to have everyone sitting on the same operating system. I would never want everyone running a linux distribution! I’d really hate to see Apple with the power BillGhee has. If you think M$ is evil, wait until you see what Apple would do with that power.
Your casual interest may be someone else’s career. Someone whose ass may be on the line when their stuff gets hacked (this isn’t describing me btw).
“If you had to deal with other people and these OS’s you might begin seeing things a little bit differently. I think most people’s views of a lot of this stuff will change around once they’ve done some tech support or seen people come into a shop with problems or had to do onsite tech service.
Hardware is nice because you can just tell the customer “you can’t do anything without parts, we’ll send someone with parts.” Software is a pain because the customer knows full well that he has all the tangible tools available to him that you do and he wants a quick fix now.
OS’s may not be a religion. However, some people do have a vested interest in one’s success over another. Personally, I got sick of hearing everyone complain when MSblast and Sasser were big. Why? It’s stupid to have everyone sitting on the same operating system. I would never want everyone running a linux distribution! I’d really hate to see Apple with the power BillGhee has. If you think M$ is evil, wait until you see what Apple would do with that power.
Your casual interest may be someone else’s career. Someone whose ass may be on the line when their stuff gets hacked (this isn’t describing me btw). ”
I am a manager at a software company, so I deal with other people, platforms, browsers, customer support – all of it. I see the pain of any product not done right, not supported right, not implemented right. I have a very large vested interest in this. I have customers all over the world that need to be supported. And I still think of an OS as a tool. We have systems running on Unix workstations, various flavors of NT, and soon Linux. We pick the right tool for the job. Frankly, the persons that make me sick are the hackers themselves. Why someone feels the need to spend the time to unleash a virus just blows my mind. What perverse satisfaction does one get by causing people to lose money, time and data? Those are the evil ones.
What colors are the skys in your world????
I dont know what colour the skt is in that guys world….
but in the real world the sky is BLACK
do not listen to them retards who say it is blue, the sky is black
the blue colour comes from the refraction of light in the water molecules in the atmosphere. light is bent and we see the blue shift.
also…. those pictures you see from the surface of Mars, why do they have a RED sky ? this is impossible. light would still be bent with the particles in the atmosphere and would also show a blue shift.
So there you go… btw – I have not been smoking