Submitted by YellowTAB released a Zeta 1.0 LiveCD and they are charging just 10 Euros for it. If you return it you get a 5 Euro discount toward the normal CD version of 1.0.
Zeta 1.0 Live CD Available
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Not to troll here, but 10 Euros for a live cd? I mean, I know they have cover their bandwith costs, but c’mon!
I agree. LiveCD are made to advertize your OS, so you don’t charge for them.
Bandwith costs? None if you use bittorrent.
“LiveCD are made to advertize your OS, so you don’t charge for them.”
This is OSNews, so I’ll forgive your ignorance here. Live CDs aren’t *just* for advertising one’s OS. They are also infinitely useful for recovering a hosed system as you’re presented with a full set of tools rather than a basic set.
There’s really no good reason why the standard install CDs of an OS should not be live CDs; DragonFly is distributed as such, as id FreeBSD (as of 5.4, IIRC).
Having a seperate install CD when one can use a Live CD to do that same job and more, is brain-dead, and relegating a Live CD to be an advertisement for one’s software is a pretty silly thing to do.
“and relegating a Live CD to be an advertisement for one’s software is a pretty silly thing to do.”
If you were talking about Knoppix, Kanotix or almost every Linux Live CD I’d agree.
But I doubt that with a Zeta Live CD you could get much work done: can I setup my ADSL connection? Can I use my soundcard which is difficult even for most linux distros? Can I create a permanent home directory? I doubt that it is much more than a limited showcase.
I see your point about the live CD, but some people might see it as Yellowtab shooting themselves in the foot.
I personally have very little disposable income and so can’t afford to spend even €10 on something that may be of little use to me. However if it’s as good as people are saying it is, it would coax me into saving up for the full version one day.
As it is, for me at least, it’s not worth €10 to find out that I don’t like it.
Gibt es irgendeine englische Version dieser Verbindung?
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Is there any English version of that link?
Google, for all your heart and kidneys 😉
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fww…
Whilst it is a live CD, its also a commercial OS, one which has to make the company money, time and again on this and other websites, people have said things like “Yes, it looks nice, and I’d like to try it, but the price is too high for me to just test”. It is for those same people that this is offered, one thing that does strike me though, is that this isn’t offered anywhere else that sells Zeta. So good call on whoever spotted this.
I find it interesting, people bemoan Yellowtab for the high cost, and not having an el cheepo version to throw at their systems, then bitch about paying a measly 10 Euro when they do… I’ve seen Knoppix CDs on ebay go for far more… It just goes to show, that no matter what a company does, its never enough, I half expect that the day a free version comes out, say with a magazine, people will start wanting to be payed to use it.. Sheesh
Dieses ist vermutlich der gleiche Fehler Zeta tut, der BeOS senkte.
Seems like it can be ordered by people in Germany (DeutschLand), Austria (Osterreich) and Switzerland only from that link.
Hopefully they release this in the USA (and everywhere else) soon.
Kind of like this, if you can’t afford 10 euros then you don’t need to worry about a new OS. You need to worry about making some more cash. Any common Linux CD ordered costs almost that much so it is fair with the market.
Hey that’s great news, I’m ordering it right now. Anyway do you know if they have Pixel (http://www.kanzelsberger.com) included? Would be great to edit photos from livecd and usb key
Does not look like a bad deal. They are small, and need to make profit, so if you were interested and could not affored DE, well here’s your chance to check it out.
I was expecting a free ($0) download. I know it sounds a little silly, but if I were trying to promote a product I wouldn’t charge money for a trial version liveCD.
From here I would have to go to the other side of the province just to see a Mac in a store, I would have to order from Ontario to get the nearest commercial Linux distribution, and I would have to order at least as far as Ontario to get a copy of Zeta, probably further. It’s a lot of time waiting, and the hassle of using the slow postal service just to satisfy my curiosity really isn’t worth it. Sure there is a piracy threat in having a free download liveCD version, even if it is reduced how long will it take someone to patch it. I don’t blame YT for charing money, but at the same time I know a lot more people could be reached with a free liveCD that has limitations built in such as only working for so long before rebooting or not having write support to hard drives and the like.
It’s not that I’m cheap, it’s just that my curiosity about Zeta isn’t worth $15 CAD as of yet.
http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=223&slide=2
Live CD fo 10 euros?
It is the funniest news today. Lol
it’s 10 dollars!
It’s not the currency people is crying about, Einstein.
There is a free BeOS livecd called XBEOX
Search it on the net (or on BeBits or BeZip) and you’ll find it.
YT’s idea is not new!
Well, they could *at least* make it possible to pay online and download the thing, I would pay 10 euros for that..but mail order? please.
Seems like it’s not only the look of Zeta which is stuck in 1995…
thought the same 🙂
Is it a demo of the OS? If so, I would be inclined to say that 10 euro is too expensive. While some of you have money to burn, some of us don’t. That isn’t to say that I wouldn’t pay the 100 euros for the full OS (I’ve paid much more just to run Mac OS X). On the other hand, I will not waste even 10 euro on something which I would use a handful of times.
If it has any particular uses, 10 euro may be worth while. But it remains difficult to spend even that sum of money on a product sight unseen. This is both a new product, and an uncommon one. Very few people would have first or even second hand experience on how well it works. And while someone was being cute and suggested their screenshots, I would maintain that screenshots are only useful for a preliminary examination. Also keep in mind, it probably won’t run very well on a random computer. The HCL is very important when dealing with alternative operating systems.
10 Euros would be okay, imho, BUT:
1) It costs at least (!) 7 Euro shipping (inside Germany …)
2) You can’t save anything. Not even to harddisk ^^
~ 20 Euro for *only* advertising without any more use is really too heavy…
Really? I was hoping that just like with any LiveCD, you can connect a disk via USB and read/write from that… Otherwise what’s the use.
And yes, despite the arrogant shipping costs I just bought it. Now I only hope in runs in VirtualPC (I only have a Mac
). Otherwise I’ll give to my friends to spread the BeOS fever.
I though all BeOS variations can made to boot Live?
“boot off it agree to the license do a ctrl alt del & click restart the desktop then minimise the installer”
http://www.bebits.com/talkback/3225
You must remember that BeOS and it’s diffrent flavors, don’t behave like Linux/UNIX or Windows.
You can install BeOS and clones on the hard drive of say a Dell system, take out the hard drive and put it into completely different Mobo with different motherboard and specs and BeOS would just boot up! (If all the drivers are present).
Do that with Windows or a custom Linux install it would foo-bar big time,one of the hidden beauties of BeOS.
You can install BeOS and clones on the hard drive of say a Dell system, take out the hard drive and put it into completely different Mobo with different motherboard and specs and BeOS would just boot up! (If all the drivers are present).
Do that with Windows or a custom Linux install it would foo-bar big time,one of the hidden beauties of BeOS.
Windows and Linux can also do that if the drivers are there, sure Windows and a custom Linux install are unlikely to have the drivers installed, but that isn’t to say they would have problems if the drivers are present. I did move a Win98 install from one machine to a completely different one, and after going through the process of installing the drivers (and a half-dozen reboots) after I moved it, it worked just fine. And I haven’t had a reason to try it with Linux so I can’t comment there, but I have heard of it working. So possibly BeOS might be a bit smoother in the transition, but it certainly wouldn’t foobar Windows or Linux.
thats windows 98.. Unless you have the generic ide controller drivers loaded on 2k/xp it WILL foobar windows trying to swap hardware.
Win9x could do that, NT COULD do that if, and only if, they changed the boot-up process. As of now you either get a BSOD at boot, or it boots up with boat-loads of problems, forcing you to re-install anyway.
Redhat did that at least as far back as version 9; I remember installing it on a Toshiba desktop p3 and when the mobo went bad, moving the HD over to a Dell Optiplex (also a p3) and being amazed that kudzu detected everything and still booted. The only complaint I got on boot up and login was that the monitor resolution was different (the dell had an LCD and the older box had a CRT and they had different resolutions). I don’t remember if it offered to fix the problem of if I had to do it manually, but that’s a pretty damn minor annoyance, imo.
BeOS was cool, and it’d still be cool, but no one uses the damn thing. I seriously doubt that there are enough people interested in Zeta to pay to be testers.
10 Euros for a Live CD?
I certainly won’t order it. The website gives you reason to believe that the product itself is of similar quality.
Most of you will only get half of how bad the site is – their German and spelling is also terrible.
One advantage of the LIVE CD is it does not cost 100 euro to test the latest yellowtab beta.
Honestly if you are interested in trying this OS out at least it wont cost you so much now to discover it does not work at all on any of your hardware.
The live cd is probably produced to be included with some german computer magazine or something. But since so many of you have been crying for a live cd they offer to send one to you for the cost of shipping, more or less.
the last time a free demo of beos was made availabel for download it killed be inc.
you can be sure that bernd won’t repeat such a fatal mistake
You have a point there…
First time around ppl had a free look, they could understand right there the OS wasn’t worth going after => Be Inc caput. (kaput? forgot what the german spelling for “belly up”)
Now, at least YellowTab will scam some money out of the curious before the Zeta goes caput.
Smart move you sly Germans, you!
(kaput? forgot what the german spelling for “belly up”)
kaputt.
People seem to have some problem with paying 10euros for an Operating System.
The fact that is “merely” a LiveCD seems to be putting people off.
A LiveCD is not as easy to make as a Hard-disk install version. It is still VERY new to be able to have a full-blown GUI with lots of decent apps, straight off CD with no need for a HDD-install.
10euros is not much money to pay for such a thing.
Sure, if you don’t want it or don;t feel it is the right OS for you, don;t pay it (don’t use it).
But you cannot begrudge a team of developers 10euros for a Live CD.
Plus you get the rebate if you buy the “full” hard-drive version.
You can’t get much for 5euros these days. A LiveCD is a bargain.
“A LiveCD is not as easy to make as a Hard-disk install version. It is still VERY new to be able to have a full-blown GUI with lots of decent apps, straight off CD with no need for a HDD-install.
10euros is not much money to pay for such a thing. ”
Really, I have BeOS 4.5 live Demo CD that came off a PCPlus magazine.. and that was when 4.5 was first released. So, how old is BeOS 4.5.. yeah thats like VERY new to be able to do.
Rock on Zeta developers, money grabbers. Just release it on a bittorrent for god sake!
I’d be happy to pay $10 if there was a download version.
At least then I’d have a cd to test on various hardware configs before I ordered the full product.
yeah they really should offer this possibility .
they are not that “poor” to offer this , and if u want to make some more money u have to invest in promotion .
Fuck the capitalism pratices ! I want a bittorrent of the full Zeta 1.0 Deluxe version to try before to buy.
I will never pay to receive a demonstration CD.
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Thanks ! Please use this torrent to accelerate my download 🙂
I would love to pay Zeta-Vertrieb to mail me either the LiveCD or the full-version but the ordering webform only lets you select Austria, Germany or Switzerland and I do not live in any of those countries.
PS: shame on the person who linked the Torrent file of Zeta, that’s just piracy in this small market!
BeOS MAX can do a full install or be a live CD, its upto you. And it runs perfect in MS-VPC 2004 as thats how I run it. OK I can’t really comment on Zeta, I’ve not used it for one, but from reading all the press I get the impression that its just an upgrade to the old R5 release in a sense they have added “tools” etc that were already up for download on the various BEsites. For example I thought I would have to buy zeta to get my new gfx card to work, after doing a little search I dowloaded the driver off one of them BEsites and I now have a full coulour desktop. My point is even if i am wrong on most things with zeta’s release is that BeOS MAX STILL WORKS!!!
“PS: shame on the person who linked the Torrent file of Zeta, that’s just piracy in this small market!”
Oh, fuck proprietary software ! BeOS will never have chance as comercial software because there are already windows. People will never pay $100 for another proprietary OS who has no applications and hardware drivers.
If linux is still seen by some people with no chance against windows, imagine a proprietary toy OS like BeOS.
OK, BeOS has interesting technical features but it don’t care for most of ignorant computer users.
I want to test BeOS just for curiosity but my main OS will remain linux.
“” “PS: shame on the person who linked the Torrent file of Zeta, that’s just piracy in this small market!”
Oh, fuck proprietary software ! BeOS will never have chance as comercial software because there are already windows. People will never pay $100 for another proprietary OS who has no applications and hardware drivers. “”
Yeah, just because the develoopers/owners of Zeta want to licence it under non-GPL, who are they to say! Its not like we allow companies to make their own business decisions! ME, the USER, is the person who decides what to pirate, what to pay for and anyone who complains must be a Communist^wFacsist^wterrorist^wbusinessman.
By “fuck proprietry software” are you saying that copyright laws should be abolished? Or that everything should be GPL? or BSD-licenced? Do you even know what you mean, or are you just saying that you will take whatever you want, for free, without giving anything back, or even crediting the authors, but if someone does the same to you then you’ll be on them with a team of lawyers faster than you can say “I don’t like it, so no-one else is allowed it” ?
Wasn’t Zeta supposed to be open-sourced by now? I don’t see any info or links on their website yet. YellowTAB has been saying that for over a year and accepting contributions under the assumption that Zeta is going to be open-sourced by early 2005. What happened?
From: http://www.yellowtab.com/support/faqs/show.php?id=5
Why isn’t ZETA Open Source?
At this time the core of the OS is based on proprietary code that we cannot legally share.
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What is ZETA based on?
ZETA is based on the Be Operating System originally developed by Be, Inc. and now owned by PalmSource. The BeOS was developed from the ground up for multimedia applications and has a microkernel, a multithreaded 64 bit filesystem and completely object-oriented API for rapid software development.
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I couldn’t see any more than that on Yellowtab.com
Wasn’t Zeta supposed to be open-sourced by now?
Where does this weird rumor even come from? Surely it doesn’t have a base in reality, as it would be suicide for YT to do so.
Every version of BeOS I have had (which is from R3 on, every revision) live-boots from the CD, but launches the Installer application instead of Tracker.
Making a Live CD from something such as Zeta is as simple as modifying the Bootscript to not check the /boot/ partition for writeability/
That is it. I am sure yTab did more in a meager attempt to prevent people from installing it on their systems. And probably removed some software. If they did not, then many people will be able to just buy this
10euro CD and install and have a full Zeta install/
Cheers 🙂
–The loon
from the yellowTAB website:
“At this time the core of the OS is based on proprietary code that we cannot legally share.”
and at the same time they are promising to open source it for over a year in the forums and in their email replies. when do they finally release it? many, including myself, have been working on applications and putting their time and effort into anything Zeta related and that’s what we get for it? broken promises? great…
Show me one post where yT “promised” to open source Zeta. You keep posting this crap but it never happened. Stop trying to spread disinformation.
http://bt.eastgame.net/torrents/10f3735e68083736ca80c8fcad0c1dab862…
Live CDs have not been difficult to make, except on Windows and *nix. I have a MacOS 7.1.2 live cd from 1994 right here (and “live floppies” from before that) and a BeOS DR8.2 live cd from 1997. Both operating systems have always installed from live media. It’s been around for a while.
Macs have been doing the “LiveCD” thing since Apple began distributing Mac OS on CD. It’s how the OS was installed.
Welcome to 1995.
BeOS has been doing it since BeOS came on CD. Thats what we’ve been trying to say all discussion long – yT are making a mountain out a molehill acting as if its the first BeOS LiveCD – BeOS is installed from a LiveCD, and always has been. Since 1994 or 1995 on the BeBox, right through to MacOS-launched ones on PPC, and then floppy launched or direct El Torito boot on x86
BeOS has only had the “restart desktop” option since R5 though, so all “live CD’s” prior to that were live to install, not to play with.
However, Be did release Live CD’s that allowed a small amount of data to be saved to floppy. I have a R4.0 live CD from a UK PC Mag.
i also remember yellowTAB announcing their plans to release Zeta as open source at one point. i can’t remember exactly in what forums etc. it was but i remember it very clearly. until yellowTAB opensources Zeta it will remain just another proprietory OS and not gain the much needed popularity.
[quote]i also remember yellowTAB announcing their plans to release Zeta as open source at one point. i can’t remember exactly in what forums etc. it was but i remember it very clearly. until yellowTAB opensources Zeta it will remain just another proprietory OS and not gain the much needed popularity.[/quote]
What I recall is that YellowTab is just a regular COMMERCIAL company ( like ms or apple ) and that they are selling an operating system as there product. Why would they ever want to open source it?? Aren’t you mistaken by the Haiku project…
I think all the confusion comes from when YellowTab announced it would be using sources from Haiku when it was mature enough. That or these people(or this person) are just yanking our chains.
I think all the confusion comes from when YellowTab announced it would be using sources from Haiku when it was mature enough.
Yes, that’s exactly what they said.
And Besides it’s not just $10 for the USA, 10 euro = $12.14 :-p
“kaputt” technically translates into “broken”
Mein Deutscher ist nicht herauf 100%, aber ich weiß, daß viel:-)
I don’t mean to be offtopic, but whatever happened to their plans for less expensive editions? Paying $30 for a fully functioning system seems more practical than paying about $17 to get a preview.
look yellow tabs 🙂
http://www.ibiblio.org/onebase/onebaselinux.com/Products/download.p…
what would help zeta a great deal is to have java and flash working. if that was the case i would buy right now.
Hardware support doesn’t look to be that up to date. None of my hardware is listed, except a P4.
The compatibility list on their page is outdated.
Try http://www.bedrivers.com it lists more hardware.
…for a demonstration version of a commercial OS.
I was reluctant to pay 100 Euro for an OS that I may or may not be able to turn into my daily driver, but I am not so reluctant to spring for the live CD.
That depends, of course, on its availability in US English. I’m not confident enough in my German to get the current CD. Though, there’s no better way to learn a language better than total immersion, is there?
I know I am being frugal here but before I spend the the 10 bucks want to know whether Zeta supports NVidia 440 Graphic cards.
There is a driver for the MX440 that works great with BeOS and with Zeta. I’m sure it comes preinstalled. If not: http://www.bebits.com/app/3636
Without a driver for your video card you get grayscale VESA, IIRC. (Color downsampling(?) with CPU penalty)
Going by past experience of transferring the BE Image to a hard disk and having a full blown BEOS. Has Zeta put some protection against this. Otherwise it is the same mistake being repeated again.
On a side note I am happy that BEOS is coming back to life.
It wasn’t the free download of BeOS R5 Personal Edition that killed Be. It was Microsoft’s strong-arming the PC OEM:s, the BeIA/etc focus shift and the subsequent departure of ISV:s and cancelling of ports of major software packages.
Would they have stayed in business longer had you and I purchased one or two copies of BeOS? I wish I had, but I honestly don’t think it would have made much of a difference that late in the game. It was already too late post-R5-release. We should have bought more BeBoxen in 1996.
“had you and I purchased one or two copies of BeOS?”
I have my 2 copys, and you?
It may seem unfair but a lot of developers were beta testers and received the releases for free. I signed up around the first PowerMac release, prior to R3.
I did buy at least one copy. The BeOS Bible + R5 bundle, which I’ve since donated to my city library.
Zeta didn’t manage to recognize my laptop mouse. I’d gladly get it, if it proved working.
But as I’m not into spending 10€ just for trying if the mouse now works, I’m probably not in their target
Too bad
Try Zeta 1.0 De Luxe for free (and forever if you want)
http://bt.eastgame.net/torrents/10f3735e68083736ca80c8fcad0c1dab862…
Cool hehe