“Firefox 1.5 Beta 1 is now available for download. This is the first Beta release of our next generation Firefox browser, to be released later this year, and it is being made available to our developer and testing community for compatibility testing and to solicit feedback.” Read the release notes, and download.
Have been waiting long for this. I am curious, what improvements I will find. I hope and personally do my best to help further spread Firefox around the world. The best browser I have ever seen!
Thanks to the Firefox team from user who is happy as can be that you have made Firefox!
You’ll have to wait a while for your favourite extensions to work – it was a shock to the system seeing adverts again!
No need to wait, just uninstall the old Adblock and download it again:
http://downloads.mozdev.org/adblock/adblock-0.5-dev.xpi
Worked for me.
Well… mine worked without having to re-install.
However, greasemonkey does not work. Any clue when a compatible release can be expected?
Well! I found it!
There is a preview of Greasemonkey that works with FF 1.5 . Get it from the link below. Remember you need to rename the bin to xpi before opening it with FF.
http://mozdev.org/pipermail/greasemonkey/2005-September/005679.html
🙂
You’ll have to wait a while for your favourite extensions to work – it was a shock to the system seeing adverts again!
If that’s the case, I can’t see myself finding my way over to Firefox yet.
My biggest complaint with Firefox is that every time they come out with a new version I have to wait for the extensions to be fixed… Deinstall the ‘old’ extensions… Install all the ‘new’ extensions… Reconfigure all the ‘new’ extensions… and in my most humble of opinions, unless I’m crossing a major version I shouldn’t have to do that.
Still though, it’s good to see it constantly improving and a lot of the fixes that have been made on 1.5 were previous gripes that I had with Firefox (just not my main gripe). However, I’m sure it won’t be long before things stabilize a little more and I find my way into the wonderful world of extensions.
“My biggest complaint with Firefox is that every time they come out with a new version I have to wait for the extensions to be fixed… Deinstall the ‘old’ extensions… Install all the ‘new’ extensions… Reconfigure all the ‘new’ extensions… and in my most humble of opinions, unless I’m crossing a major version I shouldn’t have to do that.”
YMMV, but I didn’t have to do that. I only have Adblock installed, but Firefox seemed to take care of the upgrade – at least, it said it was checking for updated versions of my extensions when I first ran 1.5, and Adblock is still enabled and working, so it seems to have done the trick.
Just downloaded it, i do like firefox but for me it still doesnt steal from sarfari yet. Im keeping an eye out, i do use firefox as a back-up browser cos’ safari doesnt render everything proper sometimes. Firefox has a better rendering engine.
One thing us mac users do need is a more native theme for firefox! It just does not look right on the desktop. Nice browser though, well done firefox team. Always good to have different browsers to take back the web.
Remember boys and girls: The Internet is not nessaray the “e” button on the desktop.
Have you tried Camino at all? It uses Mozilla/Firefox’s rendering code, but is a proper native Cocoa app.
Just tried Camino its has a much more native feel. Still stands slightly but better than firefox. Firefox is cross platform and slowly the team are doing a great job of making each version more native to its OS so i cant fault them there. Im not against firefox. I use on windows systems and as a second browser for OS X. Its good.. I guess i just prefer Sarafi on OS X. Since Camino is built for OS X more effort has gone into the UI for it. I guess its the themes of it that annoy me but i can always change it
Can I use Firefox extensions on Camino?
Doesnt appear you can use extensions like that on camino? I wonder if its the roadmap or if not make that suggestion to them.
Firefox extensions won’t be supported under Camino. If I remember right, they rely on XUL, which Camino doesn’t support. (I emailed the dev about it some time ago). Camino is just the Gecko rendering engine with a native interface.
When I learned Adblock wouldn’t work under Camino, that was almost a deal breaker for me. However, if you do a search on google for ‘userContent.css adblock’, you’ll find there is more than one way to do it.
Also, if you feel more comfortable with Safari, check out Pith Helmet. Very nice shareware adblocker.
Hope that helps.
Is there a native browser for Windows based on FF the way we have Camino for MacOS X?
I would love to see an effort of developing a browser based on Gecko that uses MFC or preferable .NET. It will lead to a faster browser but moreover, other will get a framework to intergrate Gecko into their applications. This will only lead to wider adoptation for FF and other Moz products.
For now, if I want a browser in my application, the only way for me to have it is by embedding IE… not something I like very much. I’m sure any effort to build a native browser will be widely supported.
Umm… what exactly about the OS X Firefox theme doesn’t fit in with the rest of OS X?
It fits in perfectly.
does not fit in, it adds yet another theme for it. Also there is not OS X like buttons or proffessional look to it. They need to redo the buttons and maybe adapt to a more native theme (pick one). Sorry but even some Firefox users admit Safari has a more natural look.
But at least they now introduce a more OS X preference panal to it! (hurrah no windows look a like!). Its getting their though.
Also iApps intregation will be good if they wish to compete with apple. But then again the whole movement of Firefox is to take back the web. So using Safari is not going against that philosophy.
Yet another theme? The browser windows looks almost exactly like any other native cocoa application. Yes, it has it’s own style icons… but then so does ANY application.
Admittedly the UI widgets rendered on web pages don’t fit in with the native look and feel, but as for the rest of the browser I don’t see any particular problems. Care to point out any?
In regards to Safari having a more natural look… yeah, if you happen to like that hideous monstrosity that is “Brushed Metal”.
As for Camino. Personally I prefer the look of Firefox.
I’m not a OSX user, but is it not true that you can drag native windows around by grabing _any_ area of the window. Not just the borders?
Yes its true you dont need to grab the boarders to move an app. Firefox still has boarders where apple on their apps seem to remove all boarders. So anything that is not in the main document you can use to drag the window around.
just to note you do get the boarders on apple apps if you push the button on the right of the window then you need to use boards only cos it useally makes the windows way more minimalistic which can be nice.
Maybe this is another thing Firefox needs to change, no boarders until you push that button. But again that maybe personal preference. So you dont need to flame if you disagree. But we all like continunity in OSes right?
The window looks fine cos obviously it is a native cocoa app.
Maybe it is just the icons that are annoying them. Im not a big fan of the more white look in it but again all of it can be re-themed.
Im not a big fan of the Brushed Metal look especially in Finder. But on safari it does look nice. It would be better if apple maybe choosed the more new iTunes 5 look for safari or even mail look. Brush metal has had it day.
As i said Firefox has come alone way since its first incarnation. We just need a theme that has more mac like buttons (ie smaller?) and not quite as white. The problem is easily address with themes so its not an issue.
But as i said one thing firefox have done right is the preference. The old one was terrible this one is so much more mac like. Needs improvements but 100% better.
Maybe again more mac like UI renderings with buttons on websites and they are there basically. Nothing wrong with firefox is one my fav browsers. As i said even Safari has issues on some renderings that firefox nicely addresses. Also the firefox rendering engine is far superior.
I agree. It is my main browser in OS X. I don’t care for Safari too much but it’s definitely better than IE.
“One thing us mac users do need is a more native theme for firefox! It just does not look right on the desktop.”
No *we* don’t. Speak for yourself. I happen to like the look of Firefox in OSX just fine, mainly because it looks just like Firefox in Ubuntu, Fedora Core, and Windows XP. I don’t want it to look like a native OSX app. The main reason I use it (other than AdBlock) is because I can run the same application on all the different OS’s I use.
That’s why I use Thunderbird too.
well your entitle to your own viewpoint as am i. Their are pro’s and cons on both side of the argument which is a waste of time going over here.
Overall thumbs up to the firefox team for a superb broswer cant wait for the final version.
Remember boys and girls: The Internet is not nessaray the “e” button on the desktop.
hmmm…web != internet
The web uses the http protocal over port 80 or 443. This is only two of ~65000 ports available.
The internet was around long before the web. It’s quite annoying that this confusion has been created.
yes we know there is a difference but at end of the day who cares?
just a little too late.
The new SVG support could have been better. Not that it doesn’t render SVG properly. So far it have done a resonable job of the images I have thrown at it, but it would have been nice if it had had zoom functions so that you could zoom in on an image.
This is great news…but I hope the Firefox developers have fixed at least some of the issues with the notorious ACID2 test. I know IE 7 won’t pass it either, but the more browsers actually pass the test, the more pressure can be put on M$ to fix their broken Trident engine.
http://www.webstandards.org/act/acid2/
The more browsers ignore ACID2 test the more people will finally realize that its’t not really important how your browser renders incorrectly written CSS because they are incorrect to begin with.
From http://www.webstandards.org/act/acid2/:
Note: some 827 people (rough estimate, contents may have settled during shipping) have written to point out that the CSS used in the test is invalid. This is deliberate, as a means of exposing the ability of user agents to handle invalid CSS properly.
…and from http://www.webstandards.org/act/bug/:
Browser makers cannot be held responsible for the misbehavior or poor display of sites that use broken markup, invalid styles, or screwy scripts.
Does this make any sense to you?
Been an Opera user for years, i have said before, the one single thing that could make me change to Firefox was if it changed its disfunctional back feature. It was by far the most used feature by any web surfer yet its crap.
Then I heard about deer park alpha 1, alpha 2 was even better. Now i have converted fully to firefox. Firefox may still be a tad slower and feels just abit more “heavier” than opera, but the killer extensions for me were scrapbook and the new “tab preview” extension. Can’t live without those now …
Thanks for the tip! Scrapbook seems like the tool to use instead of bookmarks in many cases.
https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firef…
Personally, I can’t do without Platypus;
https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firef…
Platypus allows you to do quick edits of a page and to save the page layout as a script. The next time you visit the page — or the whole site — you only see what you want. Very very practical.
It’s faster
Bad thing is that I can’t find any web site using the SVG native support.
Each time I find a site with svg content, it requires the adobe plug-in :'(
“It’s faster
”
Glad to hear that – some friends lost in the windows world has been going back to IE because of speed 🙁
Here you go:
http://www.openclipart.org/cgi-bin/navigate
I use RSS Reader to (you guessed it) read my RSS feeds. Every time that I hit “open in browser” RSS Reader hangs for the two to three seconds that Firefox needs to create the new tab and take focus.
Or at least that was how it was until I installed 1.5 beta 1. Now Firefox keeps itself in the background when opening a new tab from an external source, meaning that I get to continue browsing my news items uninterrupted while my Firefox loads my tabs in the background.
Life is good now ^_^
My favorite extension is Mouse Gestures. It unfortunately does not work yet with 1.5
Roger
So what else is new?
Mozilla Firefox 1.5 is excellent! 2 gripes only:
1. Alot of js errors on css makes using the debugger for crossbrowser development a pain – need to have Mozilla suite in handy until this changes.
2. Firefox SVG made X.org freeze… wierd.
Well, I won’t be able to take part in all the fun because I’m a Linux PowerPC user!
Compiling from source is a bit of an ordeal for me just to check it out for a few minutes.
I see they have SPARC versions but no POWERPC?
C
Typing this from 1.5 Beta 1. I installed it in parallel with 1.0.6 in another folder, but strange thing: when I try to launch 1.0.6 from its own folder, I can’t! 1.5 launches instead. When I uninstall 1.5, 1.0.6 launches OK and works as before. How can it be?!
They share the same preferences and settings folder.
I just did the same thing. If Firefox is running, it will always create another window of the same version, so make sure that all instances of Firefox are closed, then it should work fine.
What I did is to change the shortcut for both versions to add the “-P” command line switch to the target. This forces the Profile Manager window to come up before launching the browser. Then I created a new profile for the beta. Each time Firefox starts, I choose the new profile if I’m running the beta, and choose the old profile for 1.0.6.
This keeps the bookmarks, extensions, etc., separate. But you can still only run one version at a time.
Wow ! The speed increase is certainly noticable, and I’m not only talking about the back/fordward improvments. Overall, it renders faster, scrolls faster, the GUI feels snappier and it uses a little less memory than firefox-1.0.6 (linux/GTK2). On the down side, it still does not free memory like it ought to, when closing down tabs/windows. I was hoping this would be fixed.
An interesting observation is that it now uses the Gnome/GTK2 file chooser, when started in a Gnome environment. Fedora’s Firefox builds already have this integration enabled, but it was nice to see it Just Working with an official default build.
Interestingly, both in 1.0.6 and 1.5 beta1, enabling Macromedia Flash about doubles the memory usage. The test pages I used did have a lot of flashy applets, but still. Flash is abused by too many web sites =( ! Time to get Flashblock working again.
I’d recommend trying it to everyone who likes Firefox. Things are looking very bright for the final 1.5 release. I’m impressed.
It happens to me, by using a celeron 400 with 128mb of ram, that when I open myEbay with firefox 1.0.6 (debian/sid) and then when I double click on some of ebay’s link, that while the background tabs are loading the pages the current page is a bit slow, very slow to scroll.
Hope they improved it.
Suppose then I download a file.
The window downloading will appear.
With a Cancel link on the ledt and there is the string “Starting”.
When the downloading is started you will a progress bar will be added with a pause.
The problem is that when I start downloading and I want to click on the remove link of the second file of the downloading window, and meanwhile the download started the content of the download window is shifted of about a line.
In pratice I go with the mouse to the remove link, if the download start at that moment, where previously it was the remove link now there is the open link.
My suggestion is to have the space occupied, by pixels I mean, by each file on the down list *fixed* to have re-alignments.
Hope they improved that.
Pardon for my crappy English, hope I was clear enough.
Mozilla can release more versions of Firefox, they won’t ever reach the quality and wealth of features Opera has.
They should have revamped the Mozilla Suite instead of leaving it in the dust. Bad strategies.
Most people don’t want an all-in-one does absolutely everything you need to on the internet – but only averagely, application.
Firefox is great in that it’s slimmed down and just a browser by default. But there are numerous extensions that can optionally add extra functionality.
And judging by the popularity of either browser, I don’t think anyone comparing Opera can complain of Mozilla having a “bad strategy”.
Firefox is great in that it’s slimmed down and just a browser by default. But there are numerous extensions that can optionally add extra functionality.
Given that Opera is smaller, faster, and has less of a memory footprint than does Firefox, I’d hardly call FF ‘slimmed down.’ And as somebody else already pointed out, the extension system is a pain in the ass and isn’t really working. I gotta install at least half a dozen extensions just to get even near the same functionality as Opera, and then have half of those break almost every time they release a minor point upgrade. In fact, it’s getting to the point where I don’t even bother with minor point upgrades anymore.
Simple solution! Use Opera! It seems to suit your needs! However, the same doesn’t apply for me and ~10% of the worlds internet users.
“Firefox is great in that it’s slimmed down and just a browser by default. But there are numerous extensions that can optionally add extra functionality.”
“Slimmed down” ??? You gotta be kidding! Opera is also just a browser by default. Install it and launch it, and you will only see the browser. The other applications are hidden (email, chat, rss, usenet, address book, download manager, bittorrent manager, bookmarks). I don’t like to have to look for extensions on the Internet, download them, install them, see that them are not supported for my version of Firefox, and the extra stress. I prefer to have them all discretely installed in my Internet suite. I use them if and when I want.
“I prefer to have them all discretely installed in my Internet suite.”
Well I don’t. So use your Opera, and I’ll use my Firefox. Why are you making such a big deal?
Like you, I preferred the old Mozilla Suite. Firefox is nice and simple but I actually liked having 20 million options and being able to configure it exactly how I want. However, not even the Mozilla Suite can match the configurability of Opera. I tried Opera out about a year ago and got totally hooked. About 6 or 8 months ago I purchased my license and I haven’t looked back. I was sad to see the Mozilla Suite discontinued but it didn’t really affect me because I was already using Opera.
That said, I think it’s great that the new Firefox has so many improvements. It’s a great browser and has done wonders for advancing web standards by forcing companies to realize that there are more browsers out there than IE.
So, while I continue to happily use Opera, I actually recommend Firefox to my less computer savvy friends. It’s easy to use, secure, and I find that people are more likely to try a browser that they’ve actually heard of (so keep up the advertising!). However, for those that do not look at computer use as a necessary evil, I always recommend that they try out Opera.
I think that web browsers are kind of like Linux distros. You pick the one that best matches your needs/wants. I think Firefox has come a long way in letting people know that they don’t have to use IE. Choice is better for everybody. Keep up the good work!
Opera has a wealth of feature-bloat, not quality. Their email client sucked for years, and a web browser shouldn’t come with a freakin’ built in IRC client. No matter how small it is in total. Opera sucks.
Installed immediately because 1.0.6 have been crashing all the time on my XP boxes, and it leaks memory like crazy on OS X.
Noticably faster rendering, but seems to have totally disabled Flash and Shockwave on XP (haven’t tried on OS X yet, I’ve been trying to use Safari more there). Not that I feel I’m missing anything useful.
– chrish
All versions of firefox affected:
http://security-protocols.com/advisory/sp-x17-advisory.txt
Not a mention of it on the mozilla security page.
http://www.mozilla.org/security/
One of my main gripes with Mozilla’s products, unless you can spend the time trying to navigate the deluge of bug reports….the typical user is left in the dark on security issues. Even microsoft communicates better.
How come I’ve never heard of these security-protocols.com people? And I can’t make head nor tail of that vulnerability. At first glance it would seem to be exploitable only to fill a buffer with hyphens, and the ‘example’ doesn’t seem to work either – going to:
https://———————————————
just does a Google search on a lot of hyphens, for me…
Oh, OK, secunia has verified it, so I guess it’s on the level. http://secunia.com/advisories/16764 . Still can’t get it to work here, guess I’m missing something.
You don’t enter that string in your browser location bar. In the advisory, it is code so it goes into a file if you want to test locally. Read the rest of the advisory, you can go to
http://www.security-protocols.com/firefox-death.html
and successfully hang your firefox browser, including the latest beta. WARNING to firefox users, if you just want to see how that page is coded, use wget or curl, or you will not be reading osnews without restarting firefox.
Nice going to the team that found this. Hopefully mozilla will have a fix soon.
I guess it really is in the eye of the beholder. In my honest opinion, I have tried Opera many times and thought it was way too cluttered and unusable. After giving it a try for a few weeks, I ran back to Internet Explorer. The same thing happened with Mozilla. I gave it a try for a few weeks, and I ran back to Internet Explorer.
On the other hand, I started using Firefox when it was still called Firebird, during it’s low .x times. Even though it was still beta, I immediately switched to it as my primary browser. It’s simple beauty, speed, and fast load time was all the convincing I needed.
Now, whenever I reinstall my Windows machine, I do certain things immediately. 1) Turn off system restore. 2) Run Updates. 3) Install Firefox. 4) Install Thunderbird. 5) Install GAIM. (I’m hoping something better than GAIM comes out).
Well then, maybe you’ve heard of Secunia:
http://secunia.com/advisories/16764/
This crashes my v1.0.6 everytime:
http://www.security-protocols.com/firefox-death.html
Before going defensive, would pay to read into things a bit more.
I love firefox (using it for this right now), but there are lots of things about it that drive folks nuts, the lack of a usable one-stop place for current security information is tops on my list and many others in the corporate world that would like to give firefox some reasonable consideration.
I already posted a reply to myself, highlighting the secunia post, which some idiots have modded down to -3. OSNews people, the moderating system *really* isn’t working.
Temporary fix:
1) Put about:config in your address bar and hit enter.
2) type network.en in Filter: field
3) Double click on network.enableIDN down below that to set it to FALSE. Leave it alone if it’s already set to false.
The good:
1. It IS faster all around, somewhat better memory usage.
2. Improved page caching (bfcache: the so-called Blazingly Fast cache) improves perceived rendering speed as well, giving it more feature parity with Opera, safari, IE6
3. At least as secure as IE6 SP2, probably more.
4. Powerful (and hopefully working right this time) exttension system lets you change anything you want.
5. Incremental update (everything needs this, imho)
6. SVG, <canvas> for widgets, SVG, JavaScript niceties, oh, and did I mention SVG?
7. Long standing layout bugs fixed.
8. FINALLY respects %PROFILE%Local Settings for the cache, history, and other like files on NT 5.x and up. This was ABSOLUTELY necessary for corporate deployments so that servers aren’t backing up 10-100 MB of browser cache for every Firefox user on the network. Should’ve had this for 1.0, I think.
The bad:
1. Powerful extension system that doesn’t always work right can change anything they want. This could be the new ActiveX if they’re not careful.
2. Not quite as fast as Opera all the time
3. Are no more open about security vulnerabilities than anyone else, EXCEPT that you can inspect eh source yourself, which is only valuable if you have the skills and knowledge necessary to gain ANY understanding from it. The average internet user would do no worse looking at a disassembled executable.
4. Like many, I miss the suite. Fx, Tb, and Nvu (standalone Composer) don’t love on each other enough to feel like an integrated package. Sunbird/Lightning aren’t even beta quality yet. I hope Seamonkey gets off the ground before Opera outdoes it.
5. Does have its own layout quirks, but are also more likely to fix them, and they ARE open about this.
6. FEMA and others standardize on IE6 as a “platform” simply because of its widespread use. Make sure the non XP+IE6 minority remain loud and obnoxious to prevent this.
There are other reasons: for and against, but these are my biggies.
–JM
The SVG is, hands down, the most important feature. It could completely change the way websites are designed.
Of course, for practicality, you won’t use it at the moment for IE compatibility, but you could completely design a very graphic, very interactive website without using any flash or images other than SVG embedded in your HTML.
The demos available at http://www.croczilla.com/svg/samples/ show the begginning of what could be done.
Ok, firefox is a great browser but somewhat overated, galeon and Epiphiny are very good OSS alturnatives. Oh, and they are gnome browers so you get SVG anyway.
Neither Epiphany nor Galeon are available for non OS like Windows and OSX.
Let the Fanboy Pant’s wetting begin.
I like/use Firefox, but lets get real people, it’s a freaking BETA release, not free beer & money.
Lets keep the gushing to the bare minimum.
Sorry I just have a few questions about some mozilla products…
Why exactly do they support Firefox on the MAC, when there is camino? Is there a huge difference between the two for somone?
What is Deer Park Alpha 2?
Since it is a beta I will stick to the latest on windows…but, any idea on when there will be another official release?
I have been really happy with mozilla’s firefox on windows ever since it’s release I only use IE for some ActiveX purposes like windows update, creative update etc… -_-”
Glad to see though that development is going well !
Deep Park Alpha 2 is actually code name for alpha version of Firefox 1.1 (later renamed Firefox 1.5)
1.5 is not embadable … so programers have to embed mozilla.
.V
http://roomity.com
Does this now support off line Browsing? Call me old fashioned, but I liked it.
I gave up on Firefox and went back to IE6 because of it. Terrible, I know.
Installed OK
Pages with Java – OK
Pages with Flash – OK
Webmail (Yahoo) – OK
Quicktime (apple.com featurettes)- Variable
Navigating backwards and forwards – OK (It might be faster. I didn’t really notice as I perceived a speed issue in the past)
But I’ve removed it. I’ve just realised how dependent I’ve become on extensions. I’ll stay with 1.06 until the extensions catch up.
“hmmm…web != internet
The web uses the http protocal over port 80 or 443. This is only two of ~65000 ports available.
The internet was around long before the web. It’s quite annoying that this confusion has been created.”
Dear God — like 99% of the web surfing world even cares. For them, “the web” is the internet. And this annoys you? Dude, you need to get outside and get some fresh air and not spend 22 hours a day in your computer bunker.
So knowing more and explaining to others (though the way it was done was not perfect) is now considered bad?
Is a work of shit LOL
Not only is it a work of shite, its also not very extendable.
TO think that somebody actually wasted some of their life designing this is unbelievable.
Don’t they have a UI designer on their team? If this is the best they can do, please, change jobs.
To me it looks much like the option/preferences UI used MacOS X.
8. How do I spell Firefox? How do I abbreviate it?
Firefox is spelled F-i-r-e-f-o-x – only the first letter capitalized (i.e. not FireFox, not Foxfire, FoxFire or whatever else a number of folk seem to think it to be called.) The preferred abbreviation is “Fx” or “fx”.
Well din’t they know that out here we are used to calling it FF!
The reason this is a shite options dialog design is because FFox is DESIGNED to be pluginable, this options dialog is NOT EXTENDABLE for these new PLUGINS. WTF are they thinking. they need to design it so it can be extended EASILY. Or do they want 482343848393 diff places for plugin options ??
They need REAL DESIGNERS, not these wanabie hacks.
To answer my own question, no dosn’t work.
It’s still slower that IE6, and takes longer to load.
I’ll try again in a couple of years. FireFox, it’s like Linux in miniture!
I have a hard time understanding what you are yapping about..
Regarding opera users: What are your points? Do you seriously believe that you are going to convert anyone to the inflexible UI-mess that is called opera by whinging about the shortcomings of firefox? If you don’t want to use it, fine, but your whining doesn’t really bring anything new to the discussion.. BTW I find it highly amusing that people are constantly whining about the “Klutter” in kde, and yet opera seems to completely escape any flak for it’s *horrible* interface…
And ie users, what are wrong with you guys? Have you not had your fill of malware yet? What sane person cares if IE starts quicker (which it doesn’t if you add the time it adds to boot-up…) if you are going to drown in popups, ads, various types of malware and turns using your computer into a walk in no mans land? Is a couple of seconds gained for the first time you open the browser really worth it. Any other differences are in my experience insignificant.. or are you just enjoying pain?
In terms of convenience and features there is really no match for firefox, even if I personally prefer konqueror, (so no fanboy flames please..
) for a number of reasons. Wrt firefox, I just wish they’d plug the memory-leaks and make it a bit more robust. Not that it is particularly unstable but some sites invariably crashes it, and the fact that firefox for some reason likes to freeze xorg solid when it goes down is just ridiculous. These things should probably be higher prioritized than this nifty binary delta upgrade function, but I suppose the coding for that isn’t as fun…
Also, just in case I wasn’t clear, IE6 is faster in use, ie it shows the pages quicker than FireFox, even using dial-up.
Also, I’m not a troll, I mean what I say, I find the IE6 has features that I need, off line browsing, speed of browsing, so I use it.
Yes, I hate MS as much as the next sane person, heck I’ve tried Linux, and use Amiga OS4, (with not brilliant Web-browsers), but after trying the alternatives I find it better.
Sorry, if that means you think I’m troll because of it.
(Not tried Opera in a while, may give that another go sometime.)
Malwear? I get no Malwear, but then I don’t say “YES” to every stupid requester that comes up, (I suspect I may be in a minority), and I do all the updates, like all the updates for Firefox these days.
Great, you’ve now made me sound like a MS fanboy, I now feel dirty!
Thanks Schrade !
I can see the svg cliparts, any way does anybody knows about a demo site including svg already ?