ZDNews reports that Sun Microsystems this week released a new version of its Java software development tool with support for Web services. Sun previously released test versions of the tool and Web services technology. The Sun One Studio version 4.0, previously called Forte for Java, supports the latest version of Java and allows programmers to convert existing software into Web services.
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“The Sun One Studio version 4.0, previously called Forte for Java …”
Sounds like the marketing machine at work once again
Of course, that’s not quite as bad as MS, who probably pays their marketing staff out the nose, only for them to come up with ‘Yes You Can’ as an ad slogan for Windows XP
The Windows XP marketing slogan was going to be “You Can Fly”, but they changed it a few days before launch because of the September 11th attacks.
“The Windows XP marketing slogan was going to be “You Can Fly”, but they changed it a few days before launch because of the September 11th attacks.”
Yeah, I know that, but is that really any better??
what has that got to do with anything..? definetely nothing to do with Windows..
I already assume that Windows can fly, especially since it crashes all the time. So what else is new?
I was always amazed the Sun would use the Forte name on anything. I’ve used the Forte platform, (the real Forte platfrom that includes the programming language “TOOL”), and it’s a horrid mess.
Sun One/Forte4Java is based on Netbeans, which is a VERY nice Java programming editor/platofrm indeed. I’ve been using it for quite a while, (from before Sun bought netbeans), and it is excellent. But be sure to stock up on RAM. It’s big.
geoff
I have used Forte and Dev Studio .NET at the same time, developing in Java and .NET respectivly. Forte feels like a bad joke compared to DS .NET. C# is a much better language, DS is much easier to use, yet incredibly much more powerful, and there is support for perforce (CVS is also a joke btw).
If Sun wants their Sun ONE to be pitted against .NET they need to improve, quite a bit.
If I would go open source I would go for KDE/KDevelop/QT/Mono instead of whatever Sun is producing. Add to that compilers for Ruby/Perl/Python and you have a pretty nice set for rapid web development as well.
John,
There is a tradeoff when you use Java.
Simplicity is the keyword for Java.
C# is much more complex than Java.
The use of struct and properties add to C# complexity. And we know there is much more shit in the C#/.Net world.
CVS is also a joke btw
um, really? compared to what, sourcesafe? You gotta be kidding…
One can say alot about CVS, it might not be perfect, but it’s definetly not a joke.
and what makes c# so much better than java?
It’s amazing how a simple article on Java tools inspires MS-bashing.
what has that got to do with anything..? definetely nothing to do with Windows..
No kidding! Running Windows XP is like waiting in a primary care physician’s office. You wait for ever for something to happen and once it does it’s usually underwhelming.
I have used Forte and Dev Studio .NET at the same time, developing in Java and .NET respectivly. Forte feels like a bad joke compared to DS .NET.
Actually, they are both a piss poor, syrupy slow bad joke. At least with Java I have the option of using a killer editor that pretty much acts like an IDE, including debugging, like SlickEdit. .NET at the moment requires VS.NET.
C# is a much better language, DS is much easier to use, yet incredibly much more powerful, and there is support for perforce (CVS is also a joke btw).
In what way is C# a better language? Does it allow me to do anything that I can’t already to in Java? No. Having used C# since before VS.NET was officially released, I can honestly say that I like some aspects of it (like internationalization mechanisms) and that I find some of it cumbersome and irritating.
If Sun wants their Sun ONE to be pitted against .NET they need to improve, quite a bit.
You are comparing IDEs. Sun ONE and .NET are not IDEs.
If I would go open source I would go for KDE/KDevelop/QT/Mono instead of whatever Sun is producing. Add to that compilers for Ruby/Perl/Python and you have a pretty nice set for rapid web development as well.
Actually, Ruby/Perl/Python don’t have compilers, rather interpreters.
Secondly, if you’re already using KDevelop/QT/Ruby/Perl/Python, what is Mono and .NET going to do for you that the others can’t? Nothing.
Note to Neil C. Obremski: I haven’t seen any MS bashing, if anything at all the exact opposite. It’s funny how a simple comparison between two competing technologies brings out the, “zealot! zealot!” Frank Burns type whining.
Note to whoever brought it up: CVS is better than any Microsoft technology. Says who? Microsoft, since they bought a third party app (source depot I think) to replace SourceSafe company wide.
Actually, they are both a piss poor, syrupy slow bad joke. At least with Java I have the option of using a killer editor that pretty much acts like an IDE, including debugging, like SlickEdit. .NET at the moment requires VS.NET.
Have you considered SharpDevelop?
http://www.icsharpcode.net
SharpDevelop is not an IDE, it is a text editor like SlickEdit.
Let me clarify my point. When I said .NET requires VS.NET I meant that is the only way you get all the automated link and features between languages and all the other shiny features that people think .NET is cool for.
Any developer knows that you can edit source code in notepad or edlin if you want to, just nobody does. With Java, however, I get all the features I like in Forte4Java in a vast variety of IDEs and editors that aren’t pig slow. I prefer SlickEdit from that list as it also supports Python/C++/Perl/XML/HTML/Java/SlickC/C/C# and a slew of other languages that I don’t use as much as the above. It’s a one stop shopping editor with very advanced features.
Since nobody has really yet pointed out anything I can do with C# that I can’t do with other languages (and believe me, I use C# quite often at work and haven’t found anything either) other than VS.NET is cool, I stated that .NET requires VS.NET. Cumbersome I know, but that’s what I meant.
However, .NET is still expensive as it requires Windows and IIS to work (at least for what I would do with it).
I apologize for my posts being off topic today. I just don’t understand the love of .NET, (in spite of using it every day) so posts like John’s touting how it is the most advanced thing since I Can’t Believe It’s Not Butter are somewhat frustrating. It’s like Windows advocates who claim Windows is the best OS just because (or Linux/BSD/BeOS/etc advocates doing the same thing). If you want to convince me of something, post something tangible. Therefore, I try to drag these “better” features out though my posts with little or no success.
Now to something on topic. I have used NetBeans and Forte before. They both offer something nice to developers who need to rely on, or simply like, an IDE setting up the structure of their program for them, writing their layout manager code for them, etc. I personally don’t like these things because I’m so vain I think I can do it better, but for someone who does like these tools, Sun One Studio is quite nice. It is, however, quite slow, but then again, so is MS’s Visual Studio 7. One of the nice things about Forte (or rather Sun One Studio) is that in runs on many environments so developers can choose their development platform and still have access to this tool.
My experience has been that SOS runs faster under Linux than it does under Windows though (but then again, most things do).
But I’m having troubles why every article about either .NET or Mono, or Java or Sun turns out to be a .NET vs. Java/ONE… It’s just like every Mac article turning into a “Mac is expensive, PC is cheap, I don’t care if you are productive on the Mac or how long it last, use the PC” debates..
C# is much more complex than Java.
I really don’t know what to believe. Some people say C# sucks because Java is more complex than C#. Then guys like you say Java is better because C# is much more complex than Java. Sun might have bad PC employee management…
um, really? compared to what, sourcesafe? You gotta be kidding…
How about comparing it to BitKeeper?
No kidding! Running Windows XP is like waiting in a primary care physician’s office. You wait for ever for something to happen and once it does it’s usually underwhelming.
Windows XP requires a newer computer. I have a brand new HP Omnibook XE3. Windows XP is a speeding bullet, especially at boot time, out of the box, compared to SuSE 8.0, the only distro that supports the graphics chipset. So, a reminder, Windows XP wasn’t made for 486s (or even anything slower than a Pentium III 800mhz).
I run WinXP on a PIII 450mhz with 256 MB of RAM, and it runs very well.
-G