Submitted by OpenBSD has asked for donations: “To fulfill most development goals OpenBSD should be generating about $100K USD. With that amount of money the project can finance 1 large and 4 small hackathons per year. Pay the bills and a part-time developer to mind the shop when Theo isn’t around. In an ideal world we would have a sponsor per hackathon and the CD sales would be paying for other expenses.” On a very related note, pre-orders for OpenBSD 3.9 are now available.
I put in my pre-order for 3.9 a week ago. I think OpenBSD is a great project. I would like to encourage anyone who uses it to buy the CD from the official OpenBSD website to help support the effort.
The problem is that individual users are the only people coughing up money! Sure we order cd’s and tshirts. Sure it helps a little. The real problem is that companies who use the software (not just OpenBSD, but OpenSSL, OpenSSH, etc.) that can afford to donate large amounts, don’t. Yes, it’s their right, based on the BSD license. It’s just greedy, however. Freedom comes at a price…
Just a correction, OpenSSL is done by another group of developers, like OpenBSM it just uses a prefix of Open*.
I unfortunately don’t have much money to spare these days, I don’t even buy CDs. If I had the money to spare, I would definitely order the CDs (the shipping is worth the wait). I don’t mean to sound hypocritical, but if you have the money, do donate!
–ZaNkY
I understand completely where you are coming from. Check out the donation page (http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html). You can donate $5 here and there. It does add up and the project does appreciate it. Whether you are a fan of OpenBSD or not, the group does help other projects create better programs in the form of diff’s and of course they are the group behind OpenSSH. If you can, please donate!
It’s important to note that it’s not just so that Theo can keep working on OpenBSD, and it’s not just the OpenBSD project that is feeling the crunch.
It’s so that the group of developers that work on all these projects (OpenBSD, OpenBGP, OpenSSH, etc.) can keep hosting their hackathons and maintain their servers.
Without funding, these projects will NOT die. BUT, without funding, their current development model and activities will CHANGE, probably to the detriment of the projects involved.
If you use OpenBSD, you already know the story.
If you use OpenSSH (as you should), then you should seriously consider donating even a couple bucks (yes, even $1) to show your appreciation for something so fundamental to the way you use computers.
~rmg
I hope this article spurs a lot of people to donate. I use OpenBSD, and obviously openSSH (on many platforms), so I just pre-ordered a 3.9 CD. Another way is to Paypal them a few bucks. Don’t take free software projects like OpenBSD for granted.
10 000 user all chipping 10$
1 000 user all chipping 100$
100 user all chipping 1000$
120$ = 10 per month all year.
Sun is too poor to send money and hardware.
Hp is too poor to send money and hardware.
Dell is too poor to send money and hardware.
Apple is too poor and dont send money and hardware.
I guess OpenBSD need to switch to the GPL since all the BSD people dont care about it. No company support it and no individual care about it. Even the BSD/Apple hardcore here failed to come to help them.
The real question is would Open BSD people switch to the GPL if 100k and more where raised ?
Don’t troll. It’s not a matter of licence.
Actually it is to some extent.
Learn what a troll is , donate to OpenBSd too , a troll is not someone who you disagree with , its someone tottaly of subject most often anonymous who tottaly change the entire discussion and topic to something else , its actually really rare to see a troll.
I am on subject , using my real life name and laughing my ass off that BSD dont care about there own project and dont support it. No company does either.
Learn this simple phrase : I disagree ,
No, it was a Troll, plain and simple. You brought up the concept of converting a BSD licensed programme to the GPL, the very opposite of what the BSDs do. You alluded to the concept that more people would support the project financially if it didn’t have the core goals that it does.
You also implied that only the BSDs share some sort of responsibility to help OpenSSH continue – last I checked every Linux distribution uses it.
“No, it was a Troll”
Another one who really dont know what a troll is …
“You brought up the concept of converting a BSD licensed programme to the GPL”
No. The BSD allow me to do that anytime , its a traitor protection clause. I whas merely Taunting and showing the fact that very few people are need to send money for such an amount.
“the very opposite of what the BSDs do.”
No. The BSD and GPL are very similar exept for the thief and traitor effect and lack of protected freedom.
“You alluded to the concept that more people would support the project financially if it didn’t have the core goals that it does. ”
No , I said would they accept a license switch in order to get 100k , GNU/Linux people are not advert in buying and liberating proprietary code in order to making it GPL. Not that BSD is proprietary code. It might give an insentive to you know , the people who pay for all the GPL software and nothing else.
“You also implied that only the BSDs share some sort of responsibility to help OpenSSH continue”
No I dont imply it , cant be more clear then that ,its one of your product , it bears your name have you no shame in letting it slide to such a low level of support ? Show some solidarity , and some cash , for once!
“last I checked every Linux distribution uses it.”
Include it. We include tons of stuff , doesnt mean we have to support it since it dont support our idea’s and dont bear our flags.
We have too many supported projects and company , you guys cant even support one of your leading projects …
shame , shame , shame.
It’s a very blatant troll, to anyone following OpenBSD.
Just Google for OpenBSD + GPL 😉
“It’s a very blatant troll”
A troll is not someone who differ in opinion with you , the subject I discuss is still OpenBSD and its financing. I just proposed the honorable GPL way , intead of your already travelled Thievery , lying and traitoring way that obviously dont pay. Its a shame because its really good code that is made unusable by choice rather then thecnical merits.
“to anyone following OpenBSD.”
There are any ? Why arent they all contributing financially to there own project ?
“Just Google for OpenBSD + GPL ;-)”
Why would learning about the failure of the BSD’s protection clause be of any value in a discussion about financing a project in order for it to survive ?
There’s a big difference between disagreeing and bringing totally irrelevant topics into the discussion.
Learn what is on topic.
Discussing financing with another option , even do the knowledge of that option is dipised by the majority , is considered to be exactly on topic when the current way of raising fund and donation are inapt at meeting the goals.
Neither the BSD license nor the (L)GPL deals with financing in any way therefore it has no relevance to this discussion. These licenses only deals with the source code, not with any monetary matters.
It would seem that you have nothing better to do than to bring up this tired old GPL vs BSD discussion at every possible opportunity.
Your a stupid moron , here is why :
http://www.osnews.com/permalink.php?news_id=14052&comment_id=106705
http://www.osnews.com/usercomments.php?uid=266
I am discussing financing , I , not you , suggested that offering it under the GPL will bring the missing money that you and everyone else in the OpenBSD project and all the BSD’s related project and company using it fail to provide , because frankly your all mouth and nothing else.
If we pay we decide on the condition , not you. otherwise those that whant to help will or like in my case already did.
Its as simple as that. Now , coward it whas my last post replying to you on this subject under this topic. Unless the project annonce they have met there goal or that you covered the missing hundred of thousand missing out of your own pocket , my offer to contribute more money to a GPL version still stands.
Have a nice day.
At least, if we don’t agree of what is a troll, we all know now what is a zealot thanks to you.
Why would someone ( You ) who dont know the meaning of words and its signification be of any value to its validation and understanding ? Youv’e never met a zealot in your life , if you did youwould never label me as one.
I disagree, and so does Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
At least half of your posts on this forum contain the following:
– Inflammatory messages, including racist, sexist, classist or otherwise needlessly hateful comments.
ex. Your liberal use of ad hominem attacks.
– Opinionated statements: Posting messages expressing their own opinions as generally accepted facts without offering any proof or analysis.
ex. Your claims of 20+% GNU/Linux desktop share with no stated source for such information.
– Politically contentious messages: “Everyone knows that all Republicans/Democrats are evil.”
ex. (Non-open source developers) are liars, thieves, and traitors.
– Feigning innocence, after a flamewar ensues.
ex. Too many to count.
You honestly may not think you are trolling but you definitely are, and we foolishly feed you every time. You simply re-stated what was already implied in the article (That not enough people are donating) and proposed something that would be flamebait for the BSD crowd (OpenBSD would attract donations if it were under GPL). Not to mention that your final question “The real question is would Open BSD people switch to the GPL if 100k and more where raised ?” is moot because it clashes with the direct statements in the final paragraph of the source.
“I disagree, and so does Wikipedia.”
And according to wikipedia you would be right , exept your wrong because that page is tottaly innacurate and useless , anyone who does anything someone else dont like can be labelled a troll , thats like saying *thats Hot* to everything. I will stick with my version which predate that thing from 20 years. Its one of those words that as lost its meaning with some innacurate people and wikipedia it seems.
“At least half of your posts on this forum contain the following: ”
No , but then you have this to confirm your wrong :
http://www.osnews.com/usercomments.php?uid=266
” ex. Your liberal use of ad hominem attacks. ”
I aint liberal about it.
” ex. Your claims of 20+% GNU/Linux desktop share with no stated source for such information. ”
I sign all my text , you mean you need a confirmation that my numbers are accurate as you dont believe me , thats your problem.
” ex. (Non-open source developers) are liars, thieves, and traitors. ”
No , I never said that , I said those that close Open Source code using traitor Open source license that permits closing are liars , thieve and traitor to the open Source cause and are not equal in anyway to the Free software developper. I guess you read and understand what you feel like from my text. I am pretty stuborn and stick to the same point unless someone proove me wrong. ( see wikipedia internet troll above , I admit being wrong with that definition of a troll ) I also say that Open Source is crap as it created IT but allowed it to become closed compared to free software.
” ex. Too many to count.”
I dont feign innocence , never did never will.
http://www.osnews.com/permalink.php?news_id=14052&comment_id=106464
Read the above post , I talked about financial and asked question , I would have used !!!!! If I would have been flaming , its a post intended to make people contribute. If only 1$ whent to OpenBSD because someone disliked my post and wanted to show me I whas wrong , guess what , that whas my Intent , shake people into action.
“You honestly may not think you are trolling but you definitely are”
No I aint , I also agree to disagree with you on that one.
“You simply … be flamebait for the BSD crowd”
Yes , it was flamebait , not trolling , it whas more with an intent to piss people into donating then to create a discussion on license change or dual licensing.
“is moot because it clashes with the direct statements in the final paragraph of the source.”
Its better to retreat and save your people then die defending an undefendable position , as loosing a battle and position is less important then winning the war and bringing your people home.
In other words if it bring you guys 100k + to dual license it under the GPL , then your stupid not to do it. In my view saving the developper and the project and making hackatons is more important then what license to use as the license dont forbide anyone from using it.
have a nice day.
Do we need one more GPL’ed OS?.
Edited 2006-03-21 23:29
Yes.
You’re not a troll, but I totally disagree. GPL sucks. You call it freedom? Please read this article and then we talk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_and_GPL_licensing
No the GPL dont suck. If it did nobody would use it. You dislike it for some of its values and for what it does and stand for.
No I dont call it freedom , because I know very well the meaning of freedom , I exactly say : it give more freedom.
No , we dont talk , in order for talk to take place there as to be mutual respect , you dont respect the GPL , for talk to take place you have to undertsand and listen to the other , you not listening your telling me I am wrong and beeing close minded , for there to be talk you have to understand the subject from both angles , you dont know the BSD andgle and are trying to discuss the GPL one.
That article is false , wrong and incomplete , the simple fact that they show BSD projects and GNU mascots means that the article is tainted by partisanship from both side and as gone into propaganda instead of facts.
Oh yes dont forget to send 100$ to Open BSD , they need it.
Quit making excuses for this prick. It was quite obviously a troll.
I also believe that most of the BSD using crowd is responding and making donations/buying cds. I know I have.
I aint a prick as I aint the stupid one , I aint a troll as I aint of subject you are.
No most of the BSD crowds did not respond at all , look at you did you send 10 000 $ ?
“I guess OpenBSD need to switch to the GPL since all the BSD people dont care about it”
The license has nothing to do with this. Dont try to start another lame license flame war.
I disagree , if it where GPL or at minimum dual licensed people who dont contribute to BSD now , would contribute to the GPL side. Thats not a licensing discussion its a fniancing discusion.
If Theo de Raadt were more “open”, he would get more donations and more momentum.
These guys need to change the way they deal with the rest of the world. We’re all not stupid people because we don’t use OpenBSD.
Please.
Count me in as a BSD’er. Theo has my ten bucks.
From here on out… it’s $10 a quarter to each of the big three BSD’s. I don’t personally use Open and Net, but I see the value inherent in these projects.
I didn’t like cable television anyway… rots the brain.
Why does every BSD related topic turn into BSD Vs GPL? If you don’t have anything constructive to add to the topic, then don’t post. I’m a huge fan of the BSD’s and will help out. I think anybody who is an advocate of Open Source should help out.
It’s a part of the cult of Free Software, as bad as it sounds to say it as such, Richard Stallman does indeed induce cult-like devotion to his philosophical views, which in turn make those who he convinces into enthusiasts which repeat his opinion for their fact.
It’s much simpler really: people like screwing with other people.
There is no cult , Free Software is sadly a direct answer to the closing of Open Source code , usual thievery and lack of protected freedom and rights in BSD’s directly.
Its not a philosophical view , everything is real. BSD people dont pay , dont contribute , dont make company to support there product and view , they creat company to screw everyone else out *because its allowed* ( APPLE and Microsoft are company based on BSD ).
OpenBSD is an OS without its own hardware , without paying user , without a community of paying customers and it as no club , no income and is always on the brink of oblivion because there is not that many contributor to it.
Its as simple as that.
“OpenBSD is an OS without its own hardware”
There’s “Linux” hardware?
“without paying user”
Incorrect.
“without a community of paying customers”
Uh, community of paying customers?
“and it as no club”
Oh noes!
“no income”
Incorrect.
“and is always on the brink of oblivion because there is not that many contributor to it.”
Incorrect.
Why are you so stupid ?
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=13956
No GPL comment.
http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=13948
No GPL comment.
http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=13751
No GPL comment.
Which means that your a very stupid liar and moron.
I know that Open Source advocate should not help out at all as BSD is a traitor license that can be made closed source. Until they make the minimum effort of making a dual license offer.
In a fit of duty, I ordered 3.8, pre-ordered 3.9 _and_ bought the t-shirt!
I thought my wife would flay me when I told her I had just spent $110 + shipping, but she was cool with it. She thinks my hobbies are “cute” 😉
Ok, I just donated $25 more to OpenBSD. Let’s see some more of you match this, huh?
“Ok, I just donated $25 more to OpenBSD. Let’s see some more of you match this, huh?”
It’s not a contest, but I’m sure the OpenBSD crew appreciates it. And so do I, as a rabid OpenBSD user.
Would be even better if the large companies like IBM, Sun and Apple using OpenBSD/OpenSSH would donate. I mean, really, what’s a few thousand dollars/year for a company that size?
the license is not to blame because the other BSDs are doing great.
Why dont they help it then ? Or its just a fabricated lies you tell yourself in order not to face reality.
the license is not to blame because the other BSDs are doing great.
From what I gather, a large reason for the money differences is that free and net are officially non-profit so donations result in tax breaks. Dragonfly isn’t yet, but Matt Dillon pays for everything they’ve needed so far (that probably won’t last forever).
The OpenBSD people don’t like bureaucracy, but it would be sweet if someone could set up a foundation seperately and then just dump all the funds into Theo’s bank account.
For someone who swears they’re not a troll, that was the longest string of trolls I’ve seen in a while.
In case you didn’t know, you can also donate hardware. This option works for me better than plain money, because I need the money myself to buy food and pay the rent and because I happen to have hoarded too much computer parts already.
http://www.openbsd.org/want.html
I have a couple of SMP boards they might be interested in… I know this doesn’t help in paying for the developers, but at least it’s a donation.
thanks for the correction there!
One thing I’m also wondering is why people are ordering old versions of cd’s… why not just buy more tshirts? hahaha
Go for the OpenBSD wardobe… puffy is always in style!