Home > Ubuntu > Planning Dapper +1, the Edgy Eft Planning Dapper +1, the Edgy Eft Submitted by Christian Jensen 2006-04-19 Ubuntu 41 Comments Mark Shuttleworth has announced the plans for the next Ubuntu release – The Edgy Eft, the successor to Dapper Drake. He charts the territory post-Dapper for those of you who like to dream a little. About The Author Eugenia Loli Ex-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker. Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli 41 Comments 2006-04-19 7:18 pm Angel--Fr@gzill@ I have clicked the link 12 times and nothing happens… Is this another usual “broken link” or is just that I am using Windoza now an the PC memory is over-and-ultra-saturated? This is Edgy bereable… 2006-04-19 7:21 pm yanik works fine here 2006-04-19 7:22 pm ma_d Yea, I was excited to read it. But it’s not working from Linux either so I assure you it’s down . The site is probably just down right now. Try again in an hour or something? This, btw, is why I don’t like the idea of web apps. Only the big boys (google, Microsoft, etc) can afford zero downtime. Well, that and of course the fact that web browsers are more complicated than anything else and hence a nightmare to program for. But I’m off topic! 2006-04-19 7:34 pm Wrawrat No, it’s their Linux server that seems over-saturated. How funny… Anyway, for those who are interested in the news, I just got this mail from the ubuntu-announce list. I suppose it’s what the story on debian-news is covering : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-April/000064…. 2006-04-19 7:21 pm Omega Penguin it’s a broken link.Seriously,though,Dapper isn’t even out yet,and Shuttleworth is thinking about Edgy Eft already? 2006-04-19 7:24 pm ma_d Yea. It’s crazy how the people who plan software and the people who do the nitty gritty part often work on different stages of the project at different times… And it’s even crazier how people actually talk about their ideas for the next release before they finish what they’re working on. It’s sort of like thinking about that new car before you start shopping; insane. [/the sarcastic reply you deserved] 2006-04-19 9:14 pm W-Tarchalski [Quote] And it’s even crazier how people actually talk about their ideas for the next release before they finish what they’re working on [/Quote] MS is currently working on the IE-7 and on the next release after, Mozilla team is currently working on the FF-2 and on the FF-3 Rasterman is currently working on E17 and on E18. Regards, Witek 2006-04-19 10:00 pm archiesteel I guess you missed the sarcastic note at the end… 2006-04-20 10:55 am el3ktro I don’t know what your (not only yours, but many of you) problem is. It’s absolutely normal to not only think about the next step, but to have the second and even third step in mind already. It’s not that they’re WORKING on Edgy Eft already, they’re just thinking about in which direction it should go. We’re currently replacing all our servers in the company at work, and it’s totally normal that we don’t just think about this replacement right now, but also the next few steps that we might be planning in the future. Thinking about the very next step only would be short-sighted imho. 2006-04-20 4:47 pm ma_d That was my point. Everyone else got it where I explicitly mentioned I was being sarcastic… 2006-04-19 7:52 pm arctic Planning the next release now is okay. Many distros start the dicussions on the next project once the current version is nearing completion. We can afford to take some risks with Dapper+1, because Dapper has turned out so well. Turned out so well? Umm… How many months has this distro been on the market and thoroughly tested by end-users? A bit early for praising yourselves imho. And you still haven’t solved the firewall problem, provided a good services-configuration and there is still a borked root account and the sudo mess. When will these vital issues be corrected? Never? ^^ Edited 2006-04-19 19:53 2006-04-19 7:22 pm Havin_it what exactly be an eft? 2006-04-19 7:35 pm Lu-Tze it is the juvenile, terrestrial life stage of the newt… or so i find on Googling… and it seems like such a short time ago that we were wondering where they came up with Dapper Drake…:-) 2006-04-19 10:31 pm miscz Every single name was stranger than the previous one. I can’t even imagine how will they name Edgy Eft +1 2006-04-19 11:49 pm jayson.knight They seem to be going sequentially up the alphabet…well, somewhat at least. Maybe the next release will be Frisky Froggy. 2006-04-20 9:43 am AndyJ Hmmm, let me see, Warty Warthog, Hoary Hedgehog, Breezy Badger, Dapper Drake, Edgy Eft…W H B D E…interesting alphabet you have there! Or do you mean that E follows D therefore they are going up the alphabet? Whatever. I for one have no problem with the imaginative use of names. And bear in mind these are NOT final release names, which are much more mundane 10.05, 06.06, etc., even though people continue to insist on using them as a lame attempt to ridicule the distro. Personally, I also think they are spot on with this approach. They have declared an intention to make Dapper a solid platform for enterprise use, so it would definitely be fine by me (and interesting to anticipate) a more bleeding-edge solution for the next release. Those who require more stability can simply hop over it. Obviously Dapper still has issues, it’s not even a release candidate yet. Also, according to Shuttleworth’s comments, he specifically wants to ensure that his teams keep their focus on polishing Dapper, but they can be allowed to use their imaginations at the same time, can’t they? Or do we not believe that developers can think of two thinks at once? Edited 2006-04-20 09:46 2006-04-20 1:34 pm Angel--Fr@gzill@ !!! “They seem to be going sequentially up the alphabet…well, somewhat at least. Maybe the next release will be Frisky Froggy.” ——– Yeah, maybe you are right. It would be a good name. But, I have just recieved a phone call in the direct “Red line” that I have with Shuttleworth! He has commented to me that the next name is already decided too. It will be ” Fuzzy f–ker”, and it will be dedicated to ‘Bill’… When Ubuntu started, I used to think it was an average Distro, and that it was overHyped… NOw I think that It can really rock, and that will be the next “Turning poing” in Linux and Free-OpenSource Software, even more than ‘Madrake’ was… With next release, or next one, including an even more solid and quicker ‘XGL-Compiz’, new apt-get, and probably the new Gnome, and new versions of ‘key’ applications (Office, Server, Network..), and getting more solid and complete, it is likely to let “Vista” knock Out… If Linux could solve some problems with propietary Video & Net drivers… Although by then, in one or two releases I guest the new propietay drivers and even the “free” drivers will be much better than now. !!! Edited 2006-04-20 13:38 2006-04-19 7:55 pm Angel--Fr@gzill@ !!! Well, english is not my mothe tongue, but apparently an “Eft” is a “Newt” in it’s development state.. Yeah.. and WTF is a Newt? Well, apparently is a “Triton”. So, someting like a teenage “Salamander”. I though they were extinguished already . Not in South Africa seemingly… It seems that Shuttelworth, Vaugh and the rest of the Ubuntu troop really get “high” before choosing the codenames of the Ubuntu releases ! !!! Edited 2006-04-19 20:01 2006-04-19 9:23 pm Sphinx It seems that Shuttelworth, Vaugh and the rest of the Ubuntu troop really get “high” That would explain a few things. 2006-04-19 10:20 pm voidlogic Salamanders are not extinct, I had a pet one, and see them often in the woods near my house. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salamander 2006-04-20 8:51 am Angel--Fr@gzill@ “Salamanders are not extinct, I had a pet one, and see them often in the woods near my house.” — Sure. Everybody knows that… It was an irony. Did you mod down my post with -1 point for that? Godness! The important part of my post was the explanation of the meaning of “Eft” to someone who asked it, and to all those who did not know it … Edited 2006-04-20 08:56 2006-04-21 5:40 pm voidlogic lol, no, I didn’t mod you down. I only mod down people who are actully offensive. I think people tend to be too quick to mod down, it tends to get used as to censor views, and thats just not cool 2006-04-19 7:32 pm Damien I must admit that it annoys the flip out of me that no Linux distribution has taken the bull by the horns and moulded everything to use a system-wide LDAP server for logins, address books, etc. The benefits would be worth it and I’m scratching my head as to why it hasn’t happened yet. OpenLDAP is tricky to use, but there are alternatives like the Netscape directory service that RedHat bought and opened up. 2006-04-19 7:44 pm SEJeff https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/network-authentication You mean like this? 2006-04-19 8:41 pm Damien That’s a start, but what about having a system-wide address book that any application could use? Why should all of the different apps use their own storage mechanism, just use LDAP and let everything use one interface. Damien 2006-04-20 8:59 am Stunami that’s what evolution data server does. you might also be interested in Galago which is a presence framework. http://www.galago-project.org/about.php 2006-04-19 8:03 pm fepede I fully agree with you. I think that OS X uses a kind of LDAP to store those informations achieving a great level of integration of the information in the system, still maintaining it open. Would be nice to see Ubuntu doing the same. 2006-04-20 11:47 am unkn0wn Actually, OSX uses a combination of LDAP (Open Directory) and their ancient NetInfo DB. I believe the plan is to deprecate NetInfo in 10.5 and move entirely to LDAP. 2006-04-19 7:39 pm SEJeff Since Dapper will be released the first of June and the Ubuntu release cycle is (generally) 6 months, Edgy will be the version of Ubuntu that will go up against Windows Vista. Xgl/compiz development is blindingly fast. By the time Edgy is out, their might be a (semi)stable version out for those with graphics cards that can take advantage of it. I’ve played with the Vista beta, and flip3d + what I’ve seen of Aero still isn’t better than compiz in my own opinion. This should be interesting 2006-04-19 11:32 pm Ronald Vos Since Dapper will be released the first of June and the Ubuntu release cycle is (generally) 6 months, Edgy will be the version of Ubuntu that will go up against Windows Vista. That’s extremely funny, because everyone is saying Windows Vista will be crap, a resource hog, and bring nothing new to the table except useless eye candy. That can’t be what you meant, right? 2006-04-19 8:24 pm thebackwash I think the vision for the future of Ubuntu sounds promising. Have a really super solid release every year (really guys, use this if you want a system that won’t break,) followed by an edgier system every other 6 months,(OMGZT3HUB3RSYSUP1NH34H.) This should allow the community a sufficient amount of time to bake in technologies that might require more time to integrate properly. The only problem is that if you want a few of the newer features, you’ll have to risk breaking your system or you’ll have to wait not just 6 months, but an additional year. That’s the disadvantage of the architecture of so many linux distributions: it’s hard to change one thing without risking breaking other things (at least in the desktop space, other things such as server technologies are well-engineered in that respect.) Just my two cents. 2006-04-20 4:51 pm ma_d So startup a more moderated new app repo for ubuntu. Well, if you wouldn’t just be competing with six other people already doing it… Changing out parts is easy on *nix; that’s the point . 2006-04-19 8:44 pm braddock “the interesting possibilities of the SMART package manager…” Is there a planned role for the SMART package manger in Ubuntu? Looking at it, I don’t understand the appeal. Sure, unifited RPM, DEB, YUM, APT package mangement and world peace are great, but on a pragmatic level…has anyone used SMART? 2006-04-19 9:30 pm thebluesgnr I used it a long time ago. It was basically a smarter APT, so yeah, it’s pretty good. 2006-04-19 10:01 pm dylansmrjones I used SmartPM when I was a Fedora user. It cannot do miracles, but it is often much better to solve conflicts between packages (read: repositories) than Synaptic/apt-get. If you _have_ to use .rpm’s SmartPM is _the_ package manager to use. 2006-04-20 12:52 pm bosco_bearbank I use it all the time on my Fedora system. I’m just not all that fond of pirut 2006-04-19 9:01 pm lord_rob I’m not using Ubuntu but Debian straight. Debian Sid (unstable) has been running my pc for more than four years now. It’s really rock solid and stable. Nice people at Ubuntu are helping Debian Sid to evolve even faster Kudos to you guys ! 2006-04-20 1:59 am ozonehole I would sure like to see Ubuntu properly configured by default for SELinux (as Fedora is now). It seems that there is a project to do just this, but not sure how far along it has come… https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SELinux Does anybody happen to know if Dapper is going to have this? Or must we wait for Edgy Eft? 2006-04-20 5:42 am Anon The problem is, it distracts you from the current task. Ubuntu Dapper has quite a few issues still outstanding. Fix them first before setting a goal which is way to distant to even bother wasting time thinking about. Doesn’t accomplish anything, other than distract developers/bug fixers. 2006-04-20 4:20 pm dagw But knowing that you have something fun and interesting to look forward one you finish the current dull task makes you work faster/harder on finishing it, which is a good thing. 2006-04-20 10:58 am superstoned and don’t forget aKonadi here, as it will present a cross-DE backend for PIM applications. The Evolution hackers are interested, as are the Kontact guys.