Linux seller Red Hat–which chiefly looks to displace Unix rivals–announced today it has landed a customer that is bumping aside Microsoft Windows in favor of Red Hat software for its database servers. Read the report at News.com.
Red Hat Wins Over Windows Convert
2002-11-15 Red Hat 25 Comments
are we now that low-level with linux, that we need to report every windows to linux migration?
i would understant if rh would win a migration from windows to rh linux for serval thoused desktops. but migration rdmbs servers from windows to linux is not such a big thing.
anyway… maybe the article would open eyes of some management people and help them to see, that there is something else available then windows.
sorry for the typo (i officialy declare my postings as open source. you can change it as much you like…)
it is RDBMS and not RDMBS
how many IT managers with any sense would go with rhat, sun, or orcl?
fewer and fewer each day … funny how you don’t hear a bunch of news about a company purchasing SQL Server and W2K Advanced to run their back-end…
…likely due to the fact that hundreds and hundreds of companies do this every day, so it’s not news anymore.
If you go with a solution from Dell, Redhat, and Oracle, the combined share price would be $44.45. That’s much closer to Microsoft’s share price (and about as relevant). 😉
ahhh… i don’t know how this is handled in the states but in my country the share price does not tell anything!
in my country you can open a copany and have shares of your company. lets say the company has 1M $ value and you produce 1M shares. this would mean that your nominal value of 1 share is 1$. now if you go to the stock exchange and sell your shares and your company has much value, then someone would probably pay more then 1$ for your share.
but what happens if i split my shares at 500’000? then the nominal value of the share would be 2$ and on the stock exchange someone would maybe pay eaven more for my share.
and so on…
at the end i wanted to say, that someone could have a share of a nominal value of 2$ and would get 1.5$ on the stock exchange and another person could have a share of a nominal value of 0.5$ (but not form the same company) and would get 2$ on the stock exchange for this share.
share price does not tell everything!
it could be the other way: nominal value 20$, but gets 3$ on stock exchange and the other has nominal value of 1$ and gets 2.5$.
now calculate yourself! who wins and who loses?
We just did. We run Win2k Advanced Server + SQL2k on an 8 way CQ DL760 with more than 1000 users and it’s solid and performant. Not to mention cheaper than the equivalent Oracle solution.
good going RH, just another 5 billion Windows users to convert. 🙂
“good going RH, just another 5 billion Windows users to convert”
Well, you’re not likely to convert me (anytime soon), so make that 4,999,999,999. A lot of people have that one ‘killer app’ that keeps them ‘tied’ to Windows .. I have several of those
it is the easy development of in-house solutions using windows. there is not enough integration in Linux yet to be able to do this. sure Mac has better integration and a better scripting environment but companies get a better deal on the hardware side by going to windows than on a Mac. only the big companies (of which there are few) and state/national governments need Unix solutions. for mid size and small companies, Windows is easier than Linux and good enough to not buy Mac.
A lot of people have that one ‘killer app’ that keeps them ‘tied’ to Windows .. I have several of those
And a lot of people resent being tied to a platform. I’ve met many of those.
Besides, with all of the anti-MS sentiment going around the traps (not helped by semi-zealots like myself), more businesses are weighing up whether they *want* to put up with Windows for their “killer apps.”
I know that 100% of the businesses that I talk to are sick of having to/paying to have Windows re-installed everything few months in order to keep performance and stability. It costs too much in unproductive time, and paying someone to reinstall for them (as 95% of the businesses that I deal with have enough trouble navigating Word to worry about learning what a ‘driver’ does.)
Besides, the whole idea of “killer apps” sounds, well, fatal…
Why have you deliberately forgotten Kylix? it is a perfect example of an easy to use RAD development tool that any organisation could implement. Porting VB code between Windows and Linux using Kylix isn’t that hard in the grand scheme of things.
“And a lot of people resent being tied to a platform. I’ve met many of those.”
*shrug* To each his own I guess. Personally, if the computer does what I want and runs the apps I want to use, I don’t give a ding-dong didly what platform I’m using, so long as I don’t have to screw with it for more than a few minutes a week and it stays out of my way.
“I know that 100% of the businesses that I talk to are sick of having to/paying to have Windows re-installed everything few months in order to keep performance and stability.”
Seems strange that this would happen in a business enviroment, as I have never seen 2k/XP self-destruct for no reason (running on decent hardware), unless somebody was screwing with it. If you play with it enough, it will crash and burn .. I’ve done it with MDK/RH8 on more than one occassions My point being is that if it’s set up properly and users are a) Given a few simple do’s and don’ts or b) Keep their hands out of the cookie jar, there shouldn’t be a problem, whether you’re running Windows, Linux, Mac, or whatever.
“Besides, the whole idea of “killer apps” sounds, well, fatal…”
Eh, what’s wrong with the notion of ‘killer apps’? If you think about it, a web browser is a killer app. Afterall, would you ever consider switching to a platform that didn’t have one? If you don’t have any killer apps of your own, then what the hell do you use a computer for? To brag to your friends about the length of your uptime?
The fact is that once a person comes to depend on an app for one reason or another, it then becomes their killer app, whether it be a web browser, graphics program, web server, etc.
But it just so happens that (unfortunately) some apps are tied to certain platforms because either there are no alternatives on other platforms or the alternatives are so weak by comparison that it’s not even worth your while. And this is the case for any platform.
Honestly, if there was any program on *nix that I considered to be a ‘killer app’, you best believe I’d be running a dual boot with Windows and Linux. So, what if it only runs on Linux? Why do I care? I’d just be using two operating systems to get my work done instead of one. But as it stands, I can’t find a single thing in *nix that I either can’t get in Windows or that I feel is worth a partition on my main workhorse. Not to say that Linux (or anything else) is inferior, but some of the apps I want to use are better on (and sometimes exclusive to) Windows.
‘Seems strange that this would happen in a business enviroment, as I have never seen 2k/XP self-destruct for no reason (running on decent hardware), unless somebody was screwing with it. If you play with it enough, it will crash and burn .. I’ve done it with MDK/RH8 on more than one occassions My point being is that if it’s set up properly and users are a) Given a few simple do’s and don’ts or b) Keep their hands out of the cookie jar, there shouldn’t be a problem, whether you’re running Windows, Linux, Mac, or whatever.”
you’ve made the assumption that all business men have paid for the outragiously priced M$ licensing. some people are stuck on winblowz cause
A) don’t wanna fork out the cash to upgrade every system
B) don’t know anyone in the warez scene.
i find a little disconcerning that people in IT now say “But XP and Server 2000 run good”, what about the 20 years of M$ OS”s that sucked??? Linux/UNIX has always been stable…. people wanna launch the “if you configure 98 properly, you won’t have a problem” argument… sorry, that doesn’t cut it, i don’t care how much you configure winblowz 98, it still gonna be extremely unstable. XP is a cute operating system. the little butterfly’s and neat colors, sure it’s more stable, meaning not as many (if any) reboots. but it’s still not anywhere near being secure. M$ Outlook XP has been patched 53 times just in 2002.
i don’t make linux my religion like some, but as long as my reset button on my case isn’t used, i’m gonna stick with it. i’m not gonna fork out $139 for a shit product.
sorry for the typos and flat out bad grammer here’s what i meant to say:
you’ve made the assumption that all business men have paid for the outragiously priced M$ licensing. some people are stuck on winblowz 98 cause they
A) don’t wanna fork out the cash to upgrade every system
B) don’t know anyone in the warez scene who could steal it.
Share prices goes up and down based on investor’s demand for it. Red Hat and Oracle has less demand because they have less profit. Not because they have less consumer acceptance. Linux has a wide consumer acceptance in the server market. It is inching its way into the database server segment. But how does one make money out of something free?
Investors don’t buy shares based on how many customers one have. They buy shares based on how much money you would get. Your concept on share prices is very very bad.
The reason why you see this story is because this is a darn big company. Plus, Linux is just coming into this market, the database market. But traditionally, Linux steals customers from Unix, this is one rare case of the other way round.
Call me when Linux is even near being a viable _desktop_ alternative. BTW, To conserve evergy I won’t have my phone on till 2014, seeing it won’t be needed.
Holy! Some guy changes his website from mssql to mysql for his news feed script (eg, Select * from news), and this make front page?
Freaking unbelievable the number of Windows apologists who seem to have taken up residence here and at slashdot – if I was a suspicious man I might start to think it was more than a coincidence.
More Power to Redhat – and to all you ppl so comfy with your wedding with billy goat, keep bending over cause thats seems to be your preferred position.
The stock market have little to do with reality in general. The other day, Saddam Hussein said something like “sure boyz, come look at our weapons arsenal that we dont have” and the market got a warm and fuzzy feeling, resulting in some of my stock to rise. Say what? Good job companies? It has nothing to do with how well the companies are doing, just how much people are buying… Hype is the only factor in play here.
Sure David, being a linux user make you some kind of moral leader :-). You talk like somebody who has been through communist gulag, not like windows people, who have no spine, like you said.
Relax, we’re talking computers here, there are more important things than that.
“i find a little disconcerning that people in IT now say “But XP and Server 2000 run good”, what about the 20 years of M$ OS”s that sucked??? Linux/UNIX has always been stable….”
True, but how long has Linux/Unix (Linux inparticular) actually been usable on the desktop for the average layperson? Hell, it wasn’t until a few months ago that you could actually get distro with decent font support right out of the box, and even that is still a problem with some distros (*cough* Lycoris *cough*).
Even back in the days of Win98, pressing reset a few times a week was much more tolerable than all of the migranes one could get from running a Linux box.
“XP is a cute operating system. the little butterfly’s and neat colors, sure it’s more stable, meaning not as many (if any) reboots. but it’s still not anywhere near being secure.”
I use XP, patch my system regularly, and have had 0 problems with security.
“M$ Outlook XP has been patched 53 times just in 2002.”
Which is one of many reasons I don’t personally use it I have never cared for Outlook myself.
“i don’t make linux my religion like some”
Sure sounds like it to me. The comment I made originally is that Windows has more of the apps with the most features that I want to use, and you (and the other guy) revert back to the stability (which isn’t even an issue anymore)/security/MS is evil arguements I’ve been hearing for years … Linux zealots ALWAYS do that. I’m suprised nobody has brought up how well apache runs yet.
“but as long as my reset button on my case isn’t used, i’m gonna stick with it. i’m not gonna fork out $139 for a shit product.”
Have had to use my reset button only a handful of times since installing Win2k over 2 years ago, except when I decided to give Mandrake 9 a test drive
Grant: Call me when Linux is even near being a viable _desktop_ alternative. BTW, To conserve evergy I won’t have my phone on till 2014, seeing it won’t be needed.
It may or may not be a viable desktop altenative for you. It all depends on what you do.
Grant: Holy! Some guy changes his website from mssql to mysql for his news feed script (eg, Select * from news), and this make front page?
Some guy worth $2 billion that serves 12,000 employees – that made the headlines. Plus, it wasn’t to MySQL, but to Oracle. Which goes to show that the move wasn’t based on price (Linux + Oracle is more expensive that Windows + MySQL). And the database doesn’t run their website.
Darius: I use XP, patch my system regularly, and have had 0 problems with security.
Put some high tech top secret stuff from China on your machine, and security WOULD be a problem.
true, stability isn’t really a concern anymore, but i have a feeling the all M$ OS’s will gross security flaws… all M$ technology has gross flawes that don’t seem to plague 3rd party devolopers. When you hear a linux kernal/app has a new version, that simply means new features. With a M$ made product it means they patched 15 security holes… any one remember when ASP came out. all you would have to do is apply a ‘.’ (just a period) to the end of the URL to view the ASP source, M$ patched and then a week later the $DATA ASP flaw was exploited… I might use M$ OS’s in the future if i have to, but i refuse to use IIS, SQL Server, etc… M$ is just crap.
I don’t care to take up arms with the business practices of the company at this time, they are crap too. how DOJ ruled it a monoply then slapped them on the hand for is beyond me. sound like Billy is in the Lincold Bedroom.
I love how the windows trolls come out whenever linux is mentioned. If windows is as great as you say it is why do you even feel the need to slight linux? What possible threat is linux to you? Why would you even comment in a story on linux if its so insignificant to you? I mean Microsoft has 95% of the desktop market, 40 billion in cash, and little chance of losing massive marketshare anytime soon. They do NOT need your help in bashing linux.
Yet people feel the need to literally crap on linux all the time. Why? I never understood that. Is is some sort of insecurity complex or something? Has Linus come to your house and thrown eggs on it?
Fighting for the underdog may seem naive, but fighting for the Bully makes you seem petty and selfish.
“true, stability isn’t really a concern anymore, but i have a feeling the all M$ OS’s will gross security flaws… blah blah blah …. ”
First of all, lose the ‘M$’ shit .. it’s tired, ok?
Second of all, yes .. Windows is weak on security, so what’s your point? You’re not telling me anything I haven’t heard before by 100,000 previous Linux fanatics. I *know* Windows (and assorted apps) is not secure, and that’s why I take necessary percautions when using them. I generally try to avoid the apps that are weak on security, not use them for ‘sensative’ tasks, or keep them patched regularly. For example, I avoid MS Outlook entirely and use Mozilla instead of IE for credit card transactions and banking online. Is this as secure as using Linux? Probably not, but …
When using any OS, there are always tradeoffs one has to make. If you use Linux, you get better security, but you’re not able to play the latest PC games that are out, except for whatever WineX happens to support at the time. So, if security is more important to you than gaming, then Linux would be a logical choice.
For me, it matters not how much more secure Linux is because to switch to it would mean that I would have to give up many of the apps that I use (most of them daily), so … again, what then becomes the point of having a computer? An OS without ‘killer apps’ is like a $100,000 sportscar without a steerling wheel. And of course, each person has their own ‘killer apps.’ That’s why Linux works better for some people than it does for others (like me).
” If windows is as great as you say it is why do you even feel the need to slight linux? ”
It really isn’t Linux that most of us are attacking. Heck, I even use and like Linux for certain tasks …
It is only when these pea-brained *nix zealots get on boards like these and go on and on about how God-like Linux is and how stupid people people are if they continue to use Windows for ANY reason. I mean, really … anytime an article is posted having even anything remotely to do with Microsoft, within 5 minutes, there are about 800 of them all over it. It generally isn’t until one of them says something stupid that I get involved with the thread, because a lot of things they say such as ‘Windows crashes all the time’ are simply not true.
Honestly, if these people would crawl back into the caves in which they came from, you probably wouldn’t hear another word from me.
As of Friday morning I was one of those who was in favor of using RH Linux running DB2 UDB, Oracle, PostgreSQL or MySQL in our shop (20,000+ employees world-wide).
By 5:00pm Friday I was having second thoughts as I watched our sysadmins gyrating about dealing with RH Advanced Server running several production clusters that crashed repeatedly. I was thankful that A) our lab production boxes were running UDB and SQL Server on Windows NT 4 and Win2K and B) I didn’t work in the other group.
I still think that I’d use RH on a single server to host a DB but I’d have to think long and hard about it…
And before the true believers begin dusting up, these RH boxes were configured by RH engineers (cost us $500,000 in consulting fees)…