“The upstart Linux operating system isn’t an upstart any more, according to Linux executives meeting in Boston last week. The Enterprise Linux Forum brought together vendors and users of Linux systems at a time when the operating system seems to have established itself as a major force in corporate computing – to the chagrin of established giants like Microsoft Corp.” Read the article at Boston Globe.
Linux is No Longer Just an Upstart
2002-12-09 Linux 21 Comments
This is great..
but should we expect to see more professional applications ported from now on or is it just words in the wind ?
I am still waiting for Quicken 200x for Linux…
News.com Always says the “The upstart Linux operating system”
I hate that. Like Linux or not, you have to admit it is not just an upstart any more.
AFAIK, Quicken works in Crossover Office 1.3.
AFAIK, Quicken works in Crossover Office 1.3.
Sorry, Winex or other emulators are always much slower than native apps. Using Crossover on the 400-500 Mhz w/ 384mb ram machine, they are too slow to use. Quicktime doesn’t run smooth as what it’s on the Windows. Therefore, emulators are not the answer.
>> “Winex or other emulators”
Wrong, wine/x is not an emulator, it is an _implementation_ of the win32 api, just like the original win32 api is.
“Sorry, Winex or other emulators are always much slower than native apps.”
Wine or Winex is not an emulator (Wine actually stands for “Wine Is Not an Emulator”). It is just an implementation of the Win32-API. There is no inherit reason why it should be any slower than under Windows, at least not much. The reason why it in real life is a lot slower is because the implementation is much less mature.
I do agree that Wine is not the answer though. A native app would fit much better into the desktop system.
“Quicktime doesn’t run smooth as what it’s on the Windows. Therefore, emulators are not the answer.”
1. (hogh on top of the list) FruityLoops.
4. Heroes of Might and Magic 1 and 2 :o)
5. Microsoft Puzzle Collection – the only MS branded software I really like. Not developed by MS, of course, but by a russian company.
I would be even happier if these apps (except Winamp) were available on BeOS. BeOS is a real desktop OS.
I’m obviously ready for bed.
Didn’t you mean ‘apps I’d like to see on Linux?’
Anyway, here’s one more vote for Fruity Loops, and throw in Reason while you’re at it .. I use both! And if you can get Native Instruments on board, I’ll give you a cookie
Sometimes I wonder about the ‘news’ on the internet now.
It’s just the same reconstituted crap and facts that a person can already gather from walking outside of their (or their parents) house for a couple of minutes.
It’s good to see a news source finally getting a clue however. Maybe it’ll stop all these places from saying Linux is an upstart OS.
If Linux is ‘Upstart’ what the f*(k is windows? Some post-frat party accident?
i’d never use implementation software like WINE, WINEX, or any other types http://timedoctor.org/boycott_winex.php . The site has many good arguements. so much so that i wouldn’t consider implementation as an alternatives to applications on linux.
Are native apps and ports. Write basic apps to replace Windows needs, and then when companies see that most people are going to Linux they will make ports of their apps. It’s really quite simple, it’s getting the job done that’s the hard part. Need quite a lot of programmers, GUI-designers, and graphics experts to make the stuff look flashy.
It would also be great of NVidia’s drivers were as fast under Linux as they are in Windows.
How some people want to diss WineX, when it is probably the one thing that would raise the interest of a Windows user who is heavy into gaming. Without WineX (even with its technical problems), well .. it is the one thing Linux has going for it in the area of gaming.
And I really don’t think it’s going to affect porting very much. It might in a few instances (like Wizardy), but I don’t think most game companies care enough about Linux to really give a shit one way or the other.
As for the political aspects of it, *pffffffffffft*
Write basic apps to replace Windows needs, and then when companies see that most people are going to Linux they will make ports of their apps.
Yeah. If they’d do that instead of trying to turn the Linux desktop into a spitting image of Windows, they might have better luck.
Having a Linux desktop that looks like Windows is like getting ‘comfy’ with some hot chick, only to find out (when you try and cop a feel) that underneath isn’t exactly what you expected 😉
I brought the site up because there’s a good points on that site.
A good example to adviod WineX could be something like the example of wizardy (pointed out on the same site), which didn’t port because they found that it worked threw implementation on WineX. I don’t think this would impact many just yet. Later on it may be another story <u>if</u> GNU/Linux becomes popular (say 7% desktop) then it’s possible that companies which decide to place their products on GNU/Linux will figure that the implementation will work well enough and just not bother with porting.
Just something to think about.
“TransGaming’s WineX may discourage developers considering native ports from following through with them. Developers may wrongly assume that their game works well enough under WineX that a native version is not necessary.” from http://timedoctor.org/boycott_winex.php
just my $0.02.
any market that has 7% will get native ports. it would just be silly not to, unless the company helps with the implimentation to optimize the program for it.
So some guys needed to have a meeeting to say that “Well, you know. Linux isn’t an upstart anymore”.
What Linux used to fight, it has become.
A true linux addict my self i admit, linux is not a upstart anymore its a desease that you will never get away from. its wirse than a heroin addiction