Home > Mozilla, Gecko > Thunderbird Returns to Mozilla as Labs ProjectThunderbird Returns to Mozilla as Labs Project Guest post by imtiaz 2011-04-08 Mozilla, Gecko 26 CommentsMozilla announced on Monday that it will reabsorb Mozilla Messaging and integrate it into Mozilla Labs, a team within Mozilla that incubates experimental projects. 26 Comments 2011-04-09 12:43 am WorknManI don’t like when people point out typos in articles like they’re the grammar police, but you have a glaring typo in the title of this article Edited 2011-04-09 00:44 UTC 2011-04-09 6:47 am UltraZelda64What’s sad is I’ve glanced through the article title a couple times on the main page and didn’t notice it until reading your post. It’s a glaring mistake… yet one that’s at the same time pretty well hidden. Normally I have a good eye for seeing spelling errors. 2011-04-09 7:56 am Nth_ManMmm… do you mean it would be “returns to Mozilla as a Labs project” instead of “returns to Mozilla as Labs project”? 🙂 2011-04-09 9:28 pm imtiazthanks to you guys for pointing out the mistakes. It was just a quick one, done in haste and my first. 🙂 2011-04-09 11:49 pm franat least they corrected it 2011-04-09 3:17 am brynethttp://www.mutt.org/ 2011-04-09 8:38 am 3rdalbumTunderbird sounds like an Irish e-mail client. 2011-04-09 11:38 am mistersoft..nah that’d be Tunderturd! ..i’m irish i’m allowed.(i’m also tirtytree n a turd! 😛 ) 2011-04-09 11:41 am TheUnfocusedOneThe MoMo team is joining Labs, but Thunderbird isn’t becoming a Labs project. It’ll still be a separate product, done by its existing team. But they also work on a bunch of Labs-like projects (F1, for instance), and have been collaborating with Labs for awhile – so they’ll now do that as part of Labs.(Disclaimer: I’m a Mozilla employee, although not part of MoMo or Labs.) 2011-04-09 6:08 pm LennieFor all these who don’t understand what MoMo is: Mozilla Messaging (strangest abbreviation ever !?) 2011-04-09 2:29 pm LuminairI cringed when this horrible idea became reality. I saw Mozilla get the new money-hungry leadership, and I watched them scheme to duplicate the once-in-a-lifetime success of Firefox.And I’m lucky enough to be alive see it fall apart. Rest in pieces, Mozilla Messaging. May you be documented and studied in textbooks as a business spinoff failure.More likely though it will go down in history as NEVER EXISTED’D 2011-04-09 3:55 pm Nth_ManThere’s another version of the story: Mozilla needed money for its free projects, Google was giving them money, Google wanted a browser but not an email client (since Google was bringing Gmail), Mozilla kept on developing Firefox but not Thunderbird, Thunderbird was developed since then from Momo. Nowadays Mozilla can get Thunderbird back, since Google brought Chrome and Google mainly helps developing Chrome, not Firefox. I’m not saying that this is the truth, I don’t know what Google and Mozilla have talked in their meetings. I’m just saying that this another version of what happened.Edited 2011-04-09 15:59 UTC 2011-04-09 5:41 pm OSbunnyYeah its all about the money. They want to wean themselves off Google. But the way they are going about it is not very open web friendly. Instead of relying on google alone for their funding they are branching out to all of the big social networking sites like twitter and facebook. Now you can get your social networking site integrated into both Thunderbird and the rumoured Firefox web browser 5.0 if you are willing to pay well enough. What does this mean for user privacy or choice? I guess it all goes to hell in a hand basket now.Edited 2011-04-09 17:46 UTC 2011-04-09 6:43 pm FergyWhat does this mean for user privacy or choice? I guess it all goes to hell in a hand basket now.Yeah, you will probably be better of with proprietary products or a company that sells advertising. I’d hate to put my confidence in an open source non profit organization that tries to do things in the open. 2011-04-09 11:38 pm Luminairthat is exactly what happened, as told by a disabled person 2011-04-09 9:33 pm imtiazMozilla Thunderbird is a matured product. But why integrate it back as a labs project.It deserves more than labs status which sounds like still in experiment.I am happy that Mozilla re-integrated it back. Mozilla Messaging as separate entity was getting lost somewhat. But the product is a superb one. 2011-04-10 8:54 am caspy7Thunderbird is NOT becoming a Labs project. The title/implication of this post is incorrect.See this comment by a Mozilla employee: http://www.osnews.com/permalink?469726The Messaging team is merging into the Labs team, but Thunderbird is not becoming a Labs project. 2011-04-11 12:19 am GeekboulaSeamonkey remains an extraordinary alternative. Which unfortunately did not get the attention of web sites that write about free software. Since I discovered SeaMonkey, I have an excellent browser fast enough but in addition several development tools and an integrated email manager. What do you want more!Go to Seamonkey and you will not be over I assure you …Firefox has become very heavy and sometimes lack of stability.My OS on which is installed Seamonkey: PC-BSD 8.2 – Sabayon 5.5 gnome – MintDebian that I use on my Laptop and my Desktop Netbook 2011-04-11 12:47 am pepa65Isn’t Seamonkey all glued together Mozilla products? 2011-04-11 1:59 am GeekboulaYes indeed, Seamonkey is an open source project that does not tip in the mad rush of the fastest browser, the most beautiful, most of this, most of it and and and. ..If a user searches for a set of tools very stable and easy to configure and use.The choice is simple. That’s Seamonkey 2011-04-11 4:16 am pepa65Firefox has become very heavy and sometimes lack of stability.What I meant was, isn’t Seamonkey even heavier than just Firefox? 2011-04-11 3:03 pm Elv13Seamonkey was Mozilla, it predate FF, it include features that have been dropped long ago like the WYSIWYG editor. Its big, but well, everybody have their taste. I used it prior to FF, it worked. 2011-04-11 6:35 pm pepa65Doesn’t Seamonkey closely track Firefox and Thunderbird etc.?? I just can’t see how [OP] Firefox is too heavy and lacks stability, while Seamonkey is way heavier, and keeps fairly close to Firefox anyway… 2011-04-11 9:06 pm joekiserFirefox has become very heavy and sometimes lack of stability.What I meant was, isn’t Seamonkey even heavier than just Firefox?Yes, but Seamonkey is lighter than Firefox + Thunderbird.HOWEVER,Seamonkey really isn’t a viable product for many people unless you are nostalgic for the old Mozilla. While it contains the same Gecko engine as Firefox (updated over the years), the releases often come much later than the equivalent Firefox release. Additionally, many FF/Thunderbird extensions simply don’t work on the suite, and those that were geared for the suite have long ago stopped development (Multizilla). The WYSIWYG HTML editor is absolutely useless anymore, and still has bugs left over from 1998 (but cannot be removed because Seamonkey Mail depends heavily on it for HTML composition). There was a time as recently as 4-5 years ago where running the suite made much more sense than FFx+Tbird combination, but the divergence between the two options has been significant since then and Seamonkey has been on the losing end. Sometimes there are really superior products that get left behind by the larger market and stagnate because the community of dedicated users is too small to maintain the codebase…Solaris (now Illumos), KDE3.5 (now called Trinity Desktop) and Mozilla Suite (now called Seamonkey Project) fall into that category. Sad, but time to move on. 2011-04-12 10:12 am greygandalfI love seamonkey too. The interface is just friendly. It has the Firefox Engine which is proven, but I don’t get the play on back/forward buttons, chrome-style interface as FF4… it ha an interface which doesn’t get in your way, with menus and buttons in place where they should. And they do not change with each release.The mail option is even better, I much prefer it to Thunderbird!And, one has to try, Seamonkey remains quick and usable and is not heavier than Firefox. Perhaps because it has less bells&whistles.It surely is easier than both FF+TB! 2011-04-12 6:21 pm StephenBeDoperThe mail option is even better, I much prefer it to Thunderbird!What do you find preferable about the mail client?Not trying to be confrontational, I’m genuinely curious – I’ve used TB for a few years now, but I’ve become increasingly fed up with it recently (mainly because of stuff like this, a problem that’s been present since at least 2007: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=575814&start=45 ).