Home > Gnome > GNOME 2.2 Desktop RC 1 Available GNOME 2.2 Desktop RC 1 Available Eugenia Loli 2003-01-13 Gnome 37 Comments From the GNOME Desktop 2.2 Release Candidate 1 (2.1.90): “1.21 Jigawatts”, is ready for your bug-busting and testing pleasure! It is available for immediate download on ftp.gnome.org and mirrors.” About The Author Eugenia Loli Ex-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker. Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli 37 Comments 2003-01-13 9:49 am Damn those screenshots look butt ugly. WTF gnome hire some artists to work on these. Maybe the Linux community should reach out to the art and design community instead of letting programmers create the UI. After 5 years of running Linux, today I installed WinXP. Man it looks beautiful. Although I keep typing “ls” instead of “dir” lol 2003-01-13 10:15 am Here you see exactly the inconsistences within GNOME 2.2 that I was trying to point out in the RedHat thread ( http://smlnk.com/?B4J1KFW5 ). Compare the location of both closebuttons in these two pictures. http://smlnk.com/?XIZ1LAFJ and then http://smlnk.com/?EYF976L1 this is spread all over GNOME some buttons are aligned 5 pixels from the corners and some are 10 pixels and some have mixed pixels. There are many more UI glitches if you take care and look for them. Read the RedHat Link with my replies too so I don’t need to repeat them here again. 2003-01-13 10:38 am then be happy with WinXP – noone wants you to use linux. 2003-01-13 10:52 am Is this. With the different wm:s and de:s, you can do whatever you like, skin it in a variety of ways. If your not content with the way it looks , change it or find a themepack or skin that suits your taste. such as this : http://signal.fearmuffs.net/dyn/screen4unix.se.png Nothing wrong with that, no? also, what is up with this constant ungratefullness? This is also what is so funny about the open-source movement, 5% coders, 15% politics and the remaining 80% just … complain. I consider that they are doing a Great Job. 2003-01-13 10:58 am The desktop environments on Linux and other Unices are making the desktop on other platforms more viable. I remember the days when fonts were really ugly, my videocard would never get detected and the only browser I could use was Netscape 4. The desktop environments for Linux especially GNOME and KDE have worked and continue to work hard to provide a decent desktop environment. There is still much work to be done on the desktop enviroment but it continues to get more exciting everyday. 2003-01-13 11:00 am Good grief guys. You can tell they’re doing good stuff when all you can complain about is that somebody made a spacing error in a dialog. The HIG says 12 pixels for dialog boxes, so if it’s less than that it’s a bug which you’d be better off filing in bugzilla so the developers don’t forget. Or do you actually prefer whinging? 2003-01-13 11:37 am I don’t know what you mean by Butt ugly. I think Gnome looks better than XP … and it has concistency ; at least it use anti alias with all users not like XP in which I add a user and behaves differently to the others …. even render with out anti alias and is slower. At least I see it like that on my laptop. 2003-01-13 12:09 pm GNOME code wise (the thing under the hood)–perhaps GOOD GNOME UI wise (the look and feel, SEAMLESS INTEGRATION)–POOR!! Butt UGLY! That’s how I see it, I may vary from yours. 2003-01-13 12:15 pm RE Anonymous (IP: —.mobilcom.de) What you’re probably seeing with Windows XP is the new users defaulting back to the original setup. Normally on Windows XP it is suggested that users used cleartype as it makes reading text TFT screens easier. RE: GetOutofHere (IP: —.we.client2.attbi.com) Yet another broaadband troll. It seems that all the scum and trolls of the earth have broadband, post on osnews.com bitching and whinging like a sheila, yet they never offer any assistance to these projects. Worse still, these are the same people who pirate Windows XP, then when XP SP1 is release, bitch and moan again because they have to use some cheap workaround/hack to get their stolen copy of Windows XP updated. RE: My Comment I use FreeBSD 4.7p3 + Gnome 2.0.3, and personally, I don’t give a shit about peoples comments. So what, you use Windows XP that looks like something a 8 year old would get excited over. That is the type of childish crap Microsoft produces. Instead of actually concerntrating on what IS important, they spend time on superficial crap that only wowes the simpletons of the world into believing they’re actually using something that is a revolution. The style in Windows XP is almost as bad as the crap the press made about “bluecurve”, oh great, yet another bloody theme for KDE and Gnome2 that looks like a rip off of several themes I have seen so far. As for anti-aliased text, I am running Mozilla 1.2.1 right now with xft and gtk2 enabled, and IMHO, anyone who complained about the quality of text after enabling those two features, really need their eye’s looked at. 2003-01-13 12:27 pm I just love gnome. This release looks very nice, I cant wait to see all my favorite apps ported to gnome2.x! 2003-01-13 12:31 pm @Matthew Gardiner I agree ‘GetOutofHere’ may have used a longer indepth comment to say what he wanted but calling him a troll because he summarized in 2 sentences what other people (including me) agree with is not a fine attitude. You should learn to respect the opinions of other people as well as you like to get your opinion respected too. The overall G2.2 UI is not clean and I know a lot of people that pointed these issues months ago. People filled b.g.o with requests to have this kind of issues fixed but developers seem to have totally misunderstood what their reporters meant. Specially these people that shout out loudly about ‘consistency, good UI design and those who are responsible for the http://freedesktop.org site’ are those that aren’t able to implement what they hyped for 2 years and more. Normal talking with the developers will not fruit into success, writing to the mailinglists causes the same problems, writing to b.g.o usually ends in ‘not a bug’ or the bugreport is on hold for the past 6 months in worst cases I heard about bugs being rejected for whatever reasons sometimes it came to my attention that the same problem was reported 5-10 times on b.g.o and the responsible maintainer replied to it as if he heard the first time about it and that the reporter is the only one that ‘complain’ about that issue. Theory and personal experiences are quite differently here. 2003-01-13 12:41 pm @Matthew Gardiner My apologizes I must correct myself here you were refering to GetOutofHere and I mistakenly assumed you meant linux_lamer. Anyways the rest of my reply stands as is. 2003-01-13 12:47 pm i hope whenever those monkey get gnome2.2 out of the door. they would start to work on porting apps to gnome2.x soon. what is the point of having anti-aliase font support if those apps never use it. my two cents 2003-01-13 12:49 pm Robert Renling (IP: —.hn.student.liu.se) – It’s a bit off topic, but what themes are you using there. I like them a lot. 2003-01-13 12:58 pm sawfish 2.0 = Bluecurve-Green phoenix 0.5 = Phoenity Shade background can be found over at art.softshape.com , sunflower is the name of the bg. and the gtk2 theme of eugenias indirect design, lighthouse blue. I do believe you can find it at lighthouseblue.sf.net 2003-01-13 1:17 pm What icon theme are you using there in Phoenix? looks very very nice… 2003-01-13 1:21 pm Goes to show that it may be a good idea to read the entire thread before replying. Redundant answered question. Ignore my last comment. 2003-01-13 1:36 pm …this is a RC1, NOT THE FINAL 2.2! If you don’t like something, stop whining/bitching and act, doing some proof-of-concept to show your point, or being heard on Bugzilla! Isn’t what you as an user expected to do? 2003-01-13 2:09 pm By Mike Hearn (IP: —.dera.gov.uk) wtf. get back to work. you have a nation to protect 2003-01-13 3:07 pm Gnome still has a long ass way to go just to catch up to KDE let alone XP. I laugh anytime I read a review of a new Gnome release and the author gets all excited about a new feature in Gnome that has been in KDE since 2.x. KDE destroys Gnome simply because its WAY further along with about 10 times the functionality. Nautilus has about 1/4 of the features and/or capabilities of Konqueror yet its still way slower. wtf?!?! And in KDE 3.1 we now get built in VNC for easy remote desktop control. Im not trying to flame Gnome, this really is just my opinion based on my experience. I have used Gnome 2.2 in the RH8.1 beta……very anticlimatic, more bug fixs than features. They did <FINALLY> add the ability to extract tar and zip files to their right click menus, so the Gnome users out there should be excited about that. 2003-01-13 3:51 pm This software is being developed by people in their own spare time. They’re not getting paid to do it. If you don’t like, don’t winge and go use your crummy MacOS X and Windows XP. 2003-01-13 3:52 pm yes, there’s something wrong with it.. the font AA is butt ugly.. looks like the picture has been stretched… can’t beat BeOS for font rendering.. windows comes 2nd though.. linux.. baah.. fix it or start over.. it’s total crap.. 2003-01-13 3:58 pm Nautilus does only have about 1/4 the features of Konqueror. The VNC support is very nice. However, 98% of the features that Konqueror has over Nautilus have been emulated through nautilus scripts at one time or another. Konqueror I believe is a much better File Mangler for the average user. However, what tool is best for you depends a lot on what you need. I use Nautilus as my File Mangler because I like being able to highlight six files and secure copy them to a remote host with SCP to Host. I like being able to highlight a couple of postscript files and convert them to pdfs by using the ps2pdf script. I like being able to highlight all my jpegs and convert them to png files with a click of one script. This saves me an enormous amount of time and energy. Any that can be performed on a file or directory with a shell script can become a Nautilus script. Why do most people not know about it? None of the distros care to bundle these scripts alongside their nautilus installs which is a shame. BTW, people have been using unarchive and archive nautilus scripts forever. It is just a shame once again that most end-users never know about this killer feature since you have to go to the gscripts site and actively download the ones you want. BTW, Nautilus slower than Konqueror? Not on my box. It averages in the simple 2.0.3 version 2 seconds faster on opening my documents directory and about the same to one second faster opening my images dir. The funny thing is that I did not compile by hand and Konqueror is set to NOT thumbnail while Nautilus is set to. VNC use, Continued better networking support (the new Gnome network:// stuff for 2.2 should help but I doubt it will surpass Konqueror in this aspect), integrated searching (I have my own search-here script which ties Nautilus to the gnome-search tool which is much improved), and browsing of archive files are all things I like about Konqueror. Still, I use Nautilus because for all the nice things about Konqueror the Nautilus app works better for me. 2003-01-13 6:16 pm See I didnt know about all those killer scripts in Nautilus……which is exactly part of the problem. They should be a part of Gnome….not somthing you have to go download and implement yourself. Have them built in with a nice control screen that allows you to choose which ones you want and dont etc. Nearly all these scripts you speak of are already present in Konqueror by default. Konqueror also has the ability to hit the internet, and in KDE 3.1 has tabbed filesystem browsing now. The tabs thing is just a killer option in my opinion. I converted to linux a little over 2 years ago, and Ive spent a majority of my time learning the actual linux part. KDE was simple, intuitive and easy to use. In fact, they really went overkill with some features. KDEs features are a bit bloated vs. Gnome being clean and simple. With Gnome, however, I always had a hard time figuring out how to get things accomplished and configured the way I wanted to. I think Gnome is close to being as good as KDE 3 (not quite 3.1) if youre an experienced Gnome user, but for the ppl just looking at Gnome for the first time, its outa the box experience is pretty lacking in my opinion. Overall I just LOVE linux and OSS though 🙂 2003-01-13 7:48 pm I installed this RC1 and are nothing but utterly satisfied with it. I also (using gentoo) got to emerge redhat-artwork 0.58, which if I haven’t understood this entirely wrong, have made the default bluecurve theme adapt alot of elements from the GTK2 theme Eugenia suggested (the lighthouse one), I like it alot but I don’t get it why they made it the standard slight brownish nuance instead of the old light grey which IMO looked better. 2003-01-13 9:27 pm To begin, I hack on Gnome and run the Gnome User’s Board. Gnome is not _trying_ to _catch_ up to KDE or Windows. Gnome is about trying to create a different type of desktop. Some people appreciate that vision and some do not. You cannot judge Gnome using the same criteria as KDE etc… Gnome is willing to break the mould and we get a lot of flames because of that (eg. “If i wanted the buttons to be backwards I’d use mac”). People who want Linux to behave exactly like windows should use lindows or something or just keep pirating XP. Gnome has very few hackers compared to other projects and as well as that Gtk is hacked as part of Gnome. So yeah, Gnome development is slower that KDE. We don’t have our VNC tool finished yet but we’re working on it. But for me Gnome is miles ahead of KDE in may ways. But that is only because I love a really simple desktop. I love Gnome because it is my desktop and I love KDE because it is open source and is fighting alongside Gnome to free people from capitalism. I concider comparing them as futile as Mac V’s PC, Vi V’s Emacs etc… I wish that people could understand what gnome is about and it’s potential and what it will become. Maybe I’ll write and article about it. PS. teknishn: You totally misunderstand scripts. Not every user wants to be able to upload files via scp to sourceforge. But because of scripts I can They offer flexibiltiy. Personally i write my own, but there are loads of them online. 2003-01-13 9:37 pm hummmm… not so shure about that… Gnome and KDE have difrent design philosophies, they’r implemented difrently and target difrent end user with difrent needs… with KDE you get loads of functionality, loads of options, loads of eye candy, menu entries and loads of evrything… not a bad thing if you are a (Windows) power user or your every day linux geek with a MIGHTY computer… and the all visual clutter doesn’t get in your way…. i personaly think Gnome is better because it has less funcionality, less options and preferences and less costumisable stuff for me to worry about/waste my time on…GUIs should to just work… I bet 75% of the XP users out there dont even know that theyr UI can be customized to better fit theyr specific need because they have better things to do than to spend all day tuning n tweakin they’r desktop.. i prefer gnome because i think simplicity is a wonderful thing… lack of concistency can be fixed with simple cosmetics… bloat requires an expensive lipo-suction :p …. KEEP THE PEACE **** 2003-01-13 10:47 pm > Gnome is not _trying_ to _catch_ up to KDE or > Windows. Gnome is about trying to create a > different type of desktop. Some people appreciate > that vision and some do not. And that’s where many problems start with. The problem is in your own ranks. The GNOME philosophy was to make an OpenSource Desktop that is usable for people and easy to use basically KDE & Windows but OpenSource. GNOME 1.x was exactly this and that was the reason for it to be so famous and successful. Many people spent a lot of work into it, supplied Patches, Fixes and wrote their own Applications. But with the rapid AND drastical changes within GNOME 2.x the GNOME development team managed to cause a lot of misfortune in their own ranks. I want to remind you of the comment of herzi on your board and the comments of some other individuals including me. You may like to read the german http://www.heise.de/ who had an Article of GNOME 2.2 rc1 in their News today and the majority of people explained that they are unhappy with what happened with GNOME. > You cannot judge Gnome using the same criteria > as KDE etc… Gnome is willing to break the mould > and we get a lot of flames because of that (eg. “If i > wanted the buttons to be backwards I’d use mac”). > People who want Linux to behave exactly like > windows should use lindows or something or just > keep pirating XP. These flames are important and necessary otherwise nothing will ever change. It’s questionable and worth a discussion if this is the right way to come to an success but it’s like in real life and democraty people protest if the government failed. About the WindowsXP issue. GNOME is matureing into MacOS-X more and more with every day and therefore alienate itself from the rest of the XFree available Applications and philosophies. Microsoft Windows isn’t bad in first case, there is nothing and I mean absolutely nothing wrong with it besides the fact that some narrowminded people bash about the companies bad practices in the economy but that’s business. So I could easily answer your question, If I wanted to use MacOS-X then I would have installed and use it. > Gnome has very few hackers compared to other > projects… And this value is lowering too. > But for me Gnome is miles ahead of KDE in may > ways. Yeah but what you think is obviously NOT reality. It’s the same thing as Jeff Waugh saying (quote from some mail on gnome.org) “We now are equal to Windows 9x from feature and consistency”. Reading comments like this and statements like yours “Gnome is miles ahead of KDE” only gives a impression to the community how much certain people live illusionary and floating in their own little world. 2003-01-13 11:14 pm @oGALAXYo (IP: —.dip.t-dialin.net) It comes through alittle fuzzy, but I take it you either are really pro Windows or really pro KDE? > And that’s where many problems start with. You may see it as a problem, some may see it as a necessity to improve, others may see it as a secret passage to Narnia… I’ve read hundreds of these aswell as hundreds of “KDE sucks” and they’ll continue to pop up every single time either of them are mentioned and there are a commenting system available. It’s like having a salesman knock on your door trying to sell you product X, and every single time you get less and less strength to kick him out because you know he doesn’t understand why you use product Y and will continue to annoy you no matter what. Gnome2 differs from the rest, don’t like it, don’t use it, don’t bother us because we like it. 2003-01-13 11:41 pm Your reply tend to sound really agressive. > Gnome2 differs from the rest, don’t like it, don’t use > it, don’t bother us because we like it. And you mean I could easily forget around 2 years of my life wasting on it ? You can go and suggest this to someone that only USES Gnome but not to someone who tried to help on it. There are a lot of people within the GNOME community that share my opinion and agree with the way I make my concerns public. Anyways I haven’t replied here with the intention to talk about me. I tried to explain the issues that personally I see in GNOME to a wide spectrum of people and this is my good right to do. Talking about GNOME and keep people outside of it. Thanks. 2003-01-13 11:45 pm Stop trying to defend every criticism made by ppl. How can the GNU/Linux community move forward without someone criticizing every decision they make? Pointing out problems, faults, and critiquing a product are the best methods of improving a product. I remember when Windows 3.1 came out, ppl where bashing it left and right. Look how far they have come. Why because Microsoft listened and learned. Go back and think of the products you buy. What criterion you used to select a product? Style, look and feel has lot more affect then functionality. Functionalities are for geeks (geeks ruled then no pretty UI, I do fine with bash and windowmanager). What have I done to contribute to the GNU/Linux community? I have replace Windows server to GNU/Linux server for 300 small and mid-size companies. Replace Microsoft Office to Open Office on most of the desktop running Windows. Look for OS products to install before buying commercial apps for my customers. Lobbied and started rewriting our DOS software to Java instead of .NET so that we can ported to *nix. Report bugs to various OS projects. Help install for free GNU/Linux on relatives, friends, and anyone that needs help. Purchase Redhat, Mandrake, and Suse instead of downloading (you know I got high speed access with att). Brought a Sharp PDA Email D-link every month for GNU/Linux driver support. You do more harm to the GNU/Linux community as a whole when you defend it blindly. 2003-01-14 12:40 am well, dude, you’ve been constantly presenting your opinions in every forum on the web. Most people know, what’s your problem with GNOME and why you’re using KDE now. It’d be really nice if you’d stop repeating yourself all the time. People are getting tired of your arguments. You’re doing a very lousy job there. KDE/GNOME developers enjoy hacking on their project and don’t need people like you, who haven’t contributed a big deal. So, here’s my suggestion: Go in a dark room, close the door where nobody can hear your whining/rants/… It’s best for all, for the developers and the users. Thanks in advance! Greetings, Christian M. (chrisime) 2003-01-14 1:00 am … and here we see another good example of many examples of the bad attitude of GNOME people … It would be cool if you also comment on the other people opinions here. But instead caring for them I get attacked (as usual) for explaining my opinions in a Forum. I also don’t see the point why I get personally attacked by people that I don’t know specially people that change their opinion with every beat of the heart like you. Anyways you don’t gonna stop me saying what I have to say and what I think reflects my opinions. Getting tired of the obvious eh ? 2003-01-14 1:37 am What is new? KDE is ahead of Gnome in terms of features. Yeah KDE is an older project. Gnome 2.x has also been a pretty big re-write of the most of the desktop pieces. Most of the changes have been due to the desire to make gnome adhere to the freedesktop.org standards. Some people are very upset at the changes. Yeah, I know. Some of the changes I like, some I do not. However, I believe that everyone in the OSS universe has heard the arguements and made up their mind. The real point probably should be what is coming in 2.2: gstreamer backend for multimedia fontillus — drag and drop install of fonts Fonts capplet improvements — added features like RH8 basically. acme — support for mutlimedia keys on most computers and multi-media keyboards. Theme capplet improvements — Better consolidation of theme preferences ala RH8 again. nautilus-media view — could honestly kind of care less about this one but video thumbnailing sounds neat. nautilus-cdburn — cd burning through nautilus (yes, its use could either be clearer or instructions dialogs should prompt user through first use) nautilus-rpm view — view information on rpm files through nautilus and browse rpm database. panel notification area — once again as seen in RH8. startup-notification — back but now they act according to freedesktop.org specs. icon themes — They use to be nautilus themes but to match the freedesktop.org specs they are now icon themes. network-view — A new way of browsing network shares much improved over the current smb:// methods. Things that are still missing: Galeon2 — This will come and I use it and can tell you that the galeon view for nautilus will allow browsing in the file manager. Apotheke (CVS view) — You can get this but I do not believe it will come with Gnome 2.2 standard. Its a shame because I use it every day and it is as nice in many ways as cervisia ever thought about being. You can also get it through apt and nyquist’s site. Gtk File Open/Save improvements — Everyone who has ever used a gtk app wants an improvement over the current widget dialogs. Improved mutlihead tree view — This I am almost positive will not make it in. 2003-01-14 3:03 am fighting alongside Gnome to free people from capitalism. OMG I can’t believe it… Oh yes I can, a euro-crap pos linux zealot, oh well. xp is hideous and fragmented, sporting that crayola fat oversized for dummies widget look, oh yes so beautiful…. Red Hat is the MOST ATTRACTIVE OS out there, esp. more so than xp or osx, whether in KDE or GNOME(thanks USA and capitalism on this one). Let us be partners with capitalism, like with OS/2. “Easy to use” like windows, and powerful and stable like L/Uinux. I am still shocked and dismayed to have found a regedit-like interface to configure GNOME- which is the biggest reason I am typing this in Mandrake8.2 instead of 9…….. I always thought is was odd how the most conservative OS(configure it yourself and so forth) attracted the most socialist and communistic sorts, and the lemme do everything for you windows types of systems get defended by the most conservative/capitalist types… I know they are defending their capitalist ideals, but monopolies are EVIL. 2003-01-14 3:48 am > I love Gnome because it is my desktop and I love KDE > because it is open source and is fighting alongside > Gnome to free people from capitalism. If by “freeing people from capitalism” you mean “taking away others’ right to choose what value they demand in exchange for the product of their labors” you can count me out. How about we just concentrate on making Gnome not suck and keep the politics at home? And while we’re on the subject, that little outhouse icon for “home” has got to go, it’s hideous. 2003-01-14 7:47 am Ha, you people are funny. I bet you know as much about communism as the kernel IDE driver. And no I’m not a communist because I know that communism can never work in the “real world” because most economies are powered be greed. But look for a second a Open Source – what is it closest to? Communism or Capitalism. I don’t want to take away people’s freedom to sell software, but I sure as hell amn’t going to use any myself. > a euro-crap pos linux zealot a take it you a closed minded, propaganda hungry, oil guzzling merkin then ?