Home > SuSE, openSUSE > The State of SuSE The State of SuSE Eugenia Loli 2003-03-17 SuSE, openSUSE 17 Comments Holger Dyroff of SuSE talks to Roblimo about SuSE, SCO and more. About The Author Eugenia Loli Ex-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker. Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli 17 Comments 2003-03-17 5:59 pm Just think about several million Desktops out there which are still running OS/2! They need to be migrated in the next two years and we want to make sure that many of them will migrate to Linux. Oh no darling, only a *very* small percentage are going to Linux. The rest are migrating to Windows solutions. Java didn’t even put a dent in Windows. What makes him think Linux will succed? 2003-03-17 6:05 pm Oh no darling, only a *very* small percentage are going to Linux. The rest are migrating to Windows solutions. Java didn’t even put a dent in Windows. And you know this how? 2003-03-17 6:19 pm What is this “Darling” stuff anyway? 2003-03-17 6:40 pm Why do articles only covering the good parts of Linux and the bad parts of windows ever get published. Can someone point me to some decent erticles covering the bad parts of Linux? 2003-03-17 6:46 pm Computer analysts are saying that in less than 5 years, Windows will have almost no presence in the server market. The problem about Windows vs Linux is that most people don’t that there are different OSes than Windows. The states have power to promote by using it as a tool for the government. The same goes for schools and training centers. If there are computers you have to say oh my god and they will probably run Windows. Training courses: OSes: Windows 98 and Windows 2k. That sucks. We gotta promote Linux. In the EU Linux is spreading. The most open source states are Germany and the UK. n0dez 2003-03-17 7:05 pm Ronald said that only a very small percentage of OS/2 machines would be migrated to Linux, and the rest would be migrating to Windows. I would like to know exactly where these facts came from? We deal with the OS/2 community every day (IBM licenses our display drivers for all their OS/2 customers), and those customers *still* using OS/2 today are doing so because they had no plans to migrate to Windows. I am sure some businesses will migrate to Windows, but from what we are hearing from the OS/2 community, the majority will be moving elsewhere, and Linux is one of those options. 2003-03-17 8:37 pm “The problem about Windows vs. Linux is that most people don’t that there are different OSes than Windows.” I am not going to say Linux is a poor choice for a server (it’s not). But many businesses use windows domains and will probably continue to use windows server to do this for much longer than the next 5 years. Although many of the enterprise businesses will look to UNIX solutions I believe many small businesses will use windows primarily due to ease of development. To say that the main problem with Linux is that many people don’t know the OS from the computer is unfair. Those same people are not exactly the type that can run Linux. They are like my mom who likes her scanner, digital camera, print software, napster, and photo editing stuff. Just like many of them never put the time into learning the difference between the OS and the computer, they also are not going to put the time into learning how to maintain Linux and would require constant hand-holding. The other group are people like me, who know what Linux is, and can even use/admin it with some degree of success. But still would rather use windows. I am sure the readers of this website all are aware the difference between the OS and the computer, but I am willing to bet a very high percentage of them are using windows. The whole “Linux is better, people just don’t know about it” thing is a myth. Linux is larger, slower, less stable, and has less features than windows. The few people I know that actually use Linux the majority of the time usually have a political agenda to “crush MS”, do it out of an elitist attitude, or just for hobbyist reasons (like me). I know of few people who use Linux on the desktop because they actually feel its a better product. Yes, and 98se can be reduced to take up 40 meg on disk =P http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=8354 2003-03-17 8:52 pm Why do articles only covering the good parts of Linux and the bad parts of windows ever get published. Can someone point me to some decent erticles covering the bad parts of Linux? : One problem I — and others — have noticed with SuSE is that the automated update feature doesn’t seem to work very well. Is this because of unreliable mirrors? Inherent in the software? And is the problem fixed in 8.2? 2003-03-17 9:55 pm <blockquote> Linux is larger, slower, less stable, and has less features than windows. The few people I know that actually use Linux the majority of the time usually have a political agenda to “crush MS”, do it out of an elitist attitude, or just for hobbyist reasons (like me). I know of few people who use Linux on the desktop because they actually feel its a better product. </blockquote><HR> Actually, Jim, that’s just wrong.<BR> It’s slimmer and quicker, and far more stable. I think that’s why we’re seeing such a migration to it in the server environment.<BR> Not that it’s perfect for the desktop, it’s far from there yet. But I don’t doubt that it will be a serious contender in a few years. 2003-03-17 10:49 pm Read the interview! 🙂 2003-03-17 10:50 pm When he says that applications are the key in this market. I know a guy who is an idealist when it comes to Linux, like many on this site. However, he mainly uses Windows at home because: a) He uses the voice/video features in Yahoo constantly, something he can’t do in Linux. (Or so he says, I’ve never tried it.) Some of you who think that the missing features and/or apps here or there really doesn’t amount to much, but certain features/apps mean everything to some people and may ultimately decide which OS they choose. b) Games. I pointed out to him that most (if not all) the games he plays would work in WineX, but getting them up and running is really more than he wants to deal with. When he gets home in the evening, he’s got a wife in three kids to worry about, has very little time for computer tinkering, and therefore just wants his PC to work in ‘braindead’ mode, which is why he uses Windows at home. (Though it’s Redhat at work.) The real question is – does Linux do what you need it to do, and can it do so easily and efficiently? If the answer is no to either of these questions, then politics will ultimately take a back seat with most users. 2003-03-18 12:43 am Windows/Mac OS are superior products for the desktop. 2003-03-18 7:25 am Linux+KDE/OSX are superior products for the desktop. heh 2003-03-18 10:33 am Games. I pointed out to him that most (if not all) the games he plays would work in WineX, but getting them up and running is really more than he wants to deal with. Not to mention that running Win32 games under WineX does nothing to spur interest for Linux game development. All the sales data will still indicate that Windows games are being bought at the cash register, so the developers will reckon that’s where the demand is and continue to develop accordingly. If you want to play Win32 games so bad that you’re willing to use an emulator, you might as well just throw a Windows partition on the hard drive and be done with it, or get a second Windows box just for gaming. 2003-03-18 1:03 pm Hi, For all said and done, linux cant beat windows on desktop where the user base lies. Most of the messengers run flawlessly on windows ( which is a part of every day life) and most of the games are run on windows. To add to it, nothing has to be setup for these small things. Leave all those things, how many developing apps are there. You may give linux equivalents. But they are not real. No Macromedia products liek dream weaver, or flash will work on linux. Or for that sense, adobe photoshop wont work.Although u may say gimp is equivalent. But i want them on linux. Even for that sense a proper office equivalent of office xp. Even browsers, mozilla may be great. But they cant render the dynamic pages designed for vernacular languages in india. Ofcourse, u may say, wtf cares about the vernacular languages. But we care. Bcoz we are it force ( read vernacular) in india. If the support is not provided, then shift to the one which support. If linux doesnt care, the it is also not cared for. To be linux more usable, get rid of more flab and have some nice office apps.Make installing as easy as windows. That will do. Rest of the things will come automatically 2003-03-18 11:04 pm It breaks my heart when I see OSes these days. They are hardly the beasts of productivity they claim to be. And its now 2003. Not much of a change since 1985 eh. How pitiful, and to think we are better off now than in the 80s is nothing short of denial. 2003-03-19 2:39 am although I wasn’t happy with 8.1, I’ll be getting 8.2.