Home > Gnome > GNOME Development Series Desktop 2.3.2 Released GNOME Development Series Desktop 2.3.2 Released Eugenia Loli 2003-05-22 Gnome 34 Comments The GNOME Development Series Desktop 2.3.2 “Little Hero”, is ready for bug testing. It is available for immediate download on ftp.gnome.org and mirrors. Details here, changelog here. About The Author Eugenia Loli Ex-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker. Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli 34 Comments 2003-05-22 10:36 pm With past released there has always seemed to be one major feature of a point release. What will that feature be with Gnome 2.4. After reading the roadmap, I don’t see any clear cut answer. Thanks 2003-05-22 10:41 pm I hope the Gnome project will include the TSClient (http://www.gnomepro.com/tsclient/) and the Vera fonts by default for version 2.4. Epiphany or Galeon will be nice too if they are stable enough in the time of 2.4 release. 2003-05-22 10:53 pm It’s a great tool, I replaced my gdialog based script with it some time ago. I would also love to see it become part of the Gnome desktop. 2003-05-22 11:07 pm Well, for one I think they are going to include the new Gnome System Tools that are being developed. http://www.gnomedesktop.com/article.php?sid=1123&mode=thread&order=… 2003-05-22 11:15 pm for one I think they are going to include the new Gnome System Tools that are being developed. ? If you want system tools you better use KDE’s tools. This are better and “just work” (you can’t say the same about Gnome counter parts), you can even tune your Linux kernel with KDE (system) tools on control center. Anyway, I wish good luck to Gnome project developers 🙂 2003-05-22 11:16 pm GNOME 2.3.2 is actually quite usable even though its unstable. I wish KDE had such detailed change logs and preview releases, taht would really be nice, and i don’t see any problem with it. It would increase community involvement and the developers would most likely be able to catch a lot more bugs, and dupes… Still, I think tis agood idea, especially the detailed change logs part. But, of course, most of all, I want good documentation. This GNOME release seems to have fewer changes in comparrison to the others. 2.3.0: http://www.gnomedesktop.org/article.php?sid=1046 2.3.1: http://www.gnomedesktop.org/article.php?sid=1112 2.3.2: http://www.gnomedesktop.org/article.php?sid=1127 Anyway, my favorite TBR DES on linux are XFCE 4, Enlightenment 0.17, GNOME 2.4 and KDE 3.2. I really hope 3.2 for KDE will increase usability by merging more similar options and eliminating the ones that can’t be used especially from the context menus (needs a lot of cleaning) soo many apps place crap in the menus and even by default KDE is way too cluttered. Anyway, goood job Fluxbox 2003-05-22 11:26 pm meant to say GNOME, not fluxbox, not saying that fluxbox isnt doigna good job though for its niche 2003-05-22 11:28 pm > I wish KDE had such detailed change logs and preview releases, taht would really be nice, and i don’t see any problem with it. It would increase community involvement and the developers would most likely be able to catch a lot more bugs, and dupes… Why don’t you use kde-cvs or snapshots from http://ftp.kde.org? It would most likely not increase community involvement because people who use unstable releases would probably rather use CVS anyways. Additionatly, it would be a headache for developers because once a preview release is out, bugs that were in it would have already been fixed, making it outdated. But anyways, anyone can release unrelease unofficial preview release. Why not you do it? KDE did back before KDE 2.0, but it probably won’t ever happen because of the reasons above. > Still, I think tis agood idea, especially the detailed change logs part The weekly CVS commit summary posted weekly on dot.kde.org is imho, a better idea. > Anyway, my favorite TBR DES on linux are XFCE 4, Enlightenment 0.17, GNOME 2.4 and KDE 3.2. Yup.. I’ve been using E 17 recently and it rocks! I find myself using it a lot more than KDE these days. I still don’t like GNOME 2.3.. It feels a lot more “kiddish” than GNOME 1.x did. I have to say that GNOME 1.4 with sawfish was my favorite version of GNOME. In many ways, it can still do WAY more than GNOME 2.4 is capable of. The only thing I like about GNOME 2.x is the updated Nautilus— but I much prefered GMC over it. Oh yeah.. just checked out shots of xfce4. It does indeed look sweet! > I really hope 3.2 for KDE will increase usability by merging more similar options and eliminating the ones that can’t be used especially from the context menus (needs a lot of cleaning) This has already been done in kdecvs.. i tried it a few days ago, and now in context menus, there is a new “actions” menu where all the services go.. It went from 18 items to 4 items + actions submenu. Not bad. 2003-05-22 11:48 pm I guess your right, it might b too much trouble for the devlopers to handle, sicne I predict most users using preview releases would not search the KDE bugs website for dupes. Anyway, i consider preview releases to be milestones for the unstable brach and kind of like an appetizer. The detailed and complete changelogs should be written for beta or alpha releases IMO. the CVS Digest is nice, but it is not concise enough and is quite frequent, suers downloading a beta won’t check out all the CVS digests before that. ofocurse, the CVS digest should still contrinue, as should KDE traffic. GNOME 2.3.2 IMO looks more proffesional than KDE, with its bluecurve theme and jsut general look-n-feel, probably ebcause of its usability. it doe snot fel like its overpacked with options and that the options are just thrown in all over the place like someoene fogot to cleanup as KDE sometimes feels. but, of course looks can deceive, KDE has almsot everything going for it in the technology department. I also wish KDe had drawers and emblems that would be nice to borrow =) Its nice to se etha tthe new context menu is a lot shorter, definetely an improvement. BTW: is there any chance taht E 17 will be released before september. the next round of Linux distros I hope will include: KDE 3.2 GIMP 1.4 Evolution 2 Galeon 2 Mozilla 1. or 1.6 XFCE 4 Enlightenment 0.17 Reiser FS 4 kernel 2.6.x KDevelop 3 Abiword 2 GNOME 2.4 Koffice 1.3 python 2.3 openOffice.org 1.1 and that’s just scratching the surface, if we don’t get this by next round we will surely get it in the second round and once we do get it, linux will definetely be usbale by almost anyone on a daily basis. So far I haven’t recommended Linux to anyone. but, by April next year I will definetely start spreading the word because I’m sure it would be good enough. unfortunately, Longhorn will be released jsut a few months after that. 2003-05-23 12:05 am “If you want system tools you better use KDE’s tools. This are better and “just work” (you can’t say the same about Gnome counter parts), you can even tune your Linux kernel with KDE (system) tools on control center.” Errr… I’d rather not. That would mean I would have to use KDE, which is absolutely unbearable. Ugh. I’ll stick with my nice, clean, consistent, smooth as silk GNOME desktop thank you very much. 2003-05-23 12:34 am I would like to love the new Gnome, but it keeps getting in my way. While Gnome IMHO looks better and is generally faster, KDE manages to stay out of my way. I think, this is because KDE is bloated but you can configure the drawbacks away. OTOH, Gnome features configuration options i would love to see in KDE, like preferred apps for certain tasks. No more Konqueror, never, johoo. Whatever, not trying to start a DE war or to rediscuss Pennington’s point of view again. 2003-05-23 12:35 am KDE has one killer app that’s going a long way: kprinter. 2003-05-23 12:40 am Can I use tsclient and rdesktop, if I only have WinXP Pro? 2003-05-23 12:43 am KDE, Gnome will drop you to terminal mode on occasions For a GUI user, this is practically no better than BSOD on Windows – unsaved works are gone. 2003-05-23 1:01 am *cough* Where’s ximian desktop 2.0? 2003-05-23 1:04 am RE: Eugenia (IP: —.client.attbi.com) I’ve love to see a nice, native GTK2 browser for GNOME, however, unfortunately the likes of Epiphany and Galeon are at the mercy of Mozilla GTK2 development, also, I’ve heard rumours that many would like to get Mozilla using native widgets for the buttons etc on webpages. RE: Alex (IP: —.client.attbi.com) If you have a look at the proposed modules, IMHO, that is the most radical part of it especially with the idea of including epiphany (hopefully by then will be atleast at 1.0) and Totem which should provide a more complete user experience. RE: Anonymous (IP: —.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) That has less to do with the desktop and more to do with X. I was using by computer last night and for some reason X spontaniously rebooted. Funny thing is that it has only happened on other time when using Linux. Maybe it is just a rare/strange bug yet to be squashed. 2003-05-23 1:06 am *cough* Where’s ximian desktop 2.0? I’d assume they’re trying to make it a 100% ala natural GTK2 bundle, hence, I think they’re working on completing the GTK2 port of Evolution and if read, they may also bundle Mono too since GTK# is getting close to 1.0 status (which from my experience means it is now feature complete). 2003-05-23 1:32 am Errr… I’d rather not. That would mean I would have to use KDE, which is absolutely unbearable. Ugh. It wouldn’t hurt you as much as using Gnome (considering that you have 256 RAM and a = or > 700 Mhz CPU). I have to use KDE because of KMail ! and Konqueror > file manager !!. 2003-05-23 1:41 am The only aspect of KDE I do like is konqueror as a webbrowser (on freebSD), however, if Opera 7.11 is made available for freeBSD, I’ll move to it. 2003-05-23 2:24 am The only aspect of KDE I do like is konqueror as a webbrowser (on freebSD), however, if Opera 7.11 is made available for freeBSD, I’ll move to it. Why don’t you check in www/linux-opera7, which it’s Opera 7.11 Final. The native one for FreeBSD, I have no idea when Opera developers will finish them or have they started it yet. 2003-05-23 3:11 am Errr… I’d rather not. That would mean I would have to use KDE, which is absolutely unbearable. Ugh. It wouldn’t hurt you as much as using Gnome (considering that you have 256 RAM and a = or > 700 Mhz CPU). hehe, gnome vs KDE is soo old -I pronounce you both losers 2003-05-23 4:39 am I prefer to keep things 100% naturally *BSD 😉 Hopefully FreeBSD includes GCC 3.3. I’ve heard rumours, however, there hasn’t been a confirmation. 2003-05-23 5:43 am Hopefully FreeBSD includes GCC 3.3. I’ve heard rumours, however, there hasn’t been a confirmation. Yes, it’s being work on and should be commit in the CVS tree sometime after 5.1 released and before 5.2 release. 2003-05-23 7:02 am “I have to use KDE because of KMail !” No you don’t! You can use KMail in GNOME just fine! I do. 2003-05-23 7:35 am I too really like E17 but don’t hold your breath waiting for it. It looks like da Rasterman has “suddenly” “discovered” Xc and wishses now to recode large parts of E17 to make use of it- Xc with a good OpenGl backend(which I imagine is that which interested Rasterman and what he is working on) is a complimentary API to Xr, which xwin.org ala cworth & keithp are pushing for integration in XFree86, which is a “RENDER” accelerated display postcript API. I was glad to hear that Rasterman looks really interested in Xc- because the stuff they(the E17 folks) have been working on NEEDS TO BE PART OF XFREE86- and not simply an aspect of any particular DE. If Rasterman puts his coding efforts into Xc with a openGL backend and keithp and cworth really get Xr doing postcript display using “RENDER”, we (ie. *nix users) may end up seeing trully incredible stuff on our desktops inside the next 18 months. As much as I like E17 – their work is wasted if this stuff does not make it into XFREE86- primarily because non E17 apps would look horrible out of place in the eye-candy woderland which is E17- and no one is going to rewrite the major apps for the E17 environment- if this stuff makes its way into Xc all apps could be easily modified to take advantage of openGL acceleration and aplha-channel stuff-together with a postcript-style display -this will rock the GUI world of *nix. 2003-05-23 8:17 am Ximian are working on this, it will be in XD2 and merged into GNOME later. I don’t know if it’ll be ready in time for 2.4 2003-05-23 10:01 am does someone know if it will finally be able in 2.4 to open files on a windows-pc in your network with nautilus, instead of having to download it first onto your computer? this is really (not just) my most desired feature, and good interoperability with 95% of the other pcs should be of highest priority, far above incorporating new toys and goodies. 2003-05-23 10:44 am Evolution and KMail are nice. But I’m currently using balsa 2.0.11. If you want a lightweight mail client for GTK, balsa is the way to go, IMO. Still some rough edges to polish, but development of it is quite active. And it’s totally usable by now. 2003-05-23 12:01 pm Mike Hearn (IP: —.qinetiq.com), do you mean something similiar to kprinter is coming along for Gnome? That would be good news. 2003-05-23 12:16 pm now that i’ve finished exams i’ll better get stuck inta getting the Irish translation up to speed still it’s great to see yeah name in changelogs ;-D GEdit … New and updated translations ============================ .. .. – Irish (Paul Duffy) 2003-05-23 12:23 pm Yes, I think so. Not really sure yet. Think printers view in Nautilus etc. As for SMB, well Samba shared should be mounted into the FS layer, not the desktop layer, so that’s a distro thing. 2003-05-23 10:58 pm >As for SMB, well Samba shared should be mounted into the FS >layer, not the desktop layer, so that’s a distro thing. Why ? And how do you browse potential 100’s of computers with the current kernel smb support ? 2003-05-24 2:04 am apt-get install gnome-vfs-extras2 gnome-vfs-extras And you can use smb from within gnome2 (nautilus!) and gnome1 applications. If not using debian, check the packages on your distro. C. 2003-05-24 5:58 am I know what you mean. I am assuming you want to be able to access the network without the need to mount. Unfortunately there isn’t really close integration between the VFS and fileselect, meaning, it doesn’t have those nautilus abilities you are talking about.