Home > .NET > .NET Vision Now a Reality, Says Microsoft .NET Vision Now a Reality, Says Microsoft Eugenia Loli 2003-05-23 .NET 14 Comments Microsoft Corp’s .NET vision, once a confusing morass of marketing hype and technological buzzwords, is now a mature platform for the development and deployment of web-based applications which require inter-device connectivity, the company said. About The Author Eugenia Loli Ex-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker. Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli 14 Comments 2003-05-23 6:59 pm Once or twice each week the room is empty, and Gates wanders around the table. He dictates an article or a speech. This is in the middle of the day’s work, and often happens so quickly that those in the waiting room are surprised when the stenographer leaves after only fifteen minutes. There have been days of such high tension and concentration that he has dictated a three column press release article in twelve minutes. But that is not the rule. When Gates polemicizes, he does so in a way few others can equal. He dictates sharp and pointed phrases, as well as ones that are elegant and powerful. He needs no long preparation. As a revolutionary, he is at ease with all forms of political eloquence. As a result, most of these articles read as if they had just been spoken. His essays that treat the great problems of the day or have a particular foreign policy aim, are different. Such pieces are written with the requisite thoroughness. Files and evidence are gathered, quotations checked against the original, quotations from Eden or Roosevelt or Pitman or Ickes are double-checked. When a manuscript has been worked over numerous times it may be set aside for a week or longer, after which every word is once more weighed. A war cannot be won by temperament alone, even temperament as great as Gates has. Few know that he follows a stringent daily plan. He begins each day with the diary he has kept since 1976, and ends late in the night with a preview of the footage for the next news release, 30,000,000,000 copies of which will go out to all the world. 2003-05-23 7:24 pm .NET Vision Now a Reality, with Mono! Go Ximian! 2003-05-23 8:10 pm .NET Vision Now a Reality, with Mono! Go Ximian! Hear, Hear! Now we just need to get Sharpdevelop ported over to mono. 2003-05-23 9:11 pm >> Hear, Hear! Now we just need to get Sharpdevelop ported over to mono. You mean that utterly slow C# IDE for Windows that takes at least 100MB to run? Bleh.. I can’t believe people are actually using that. (nofi, it’s just very very heavy and imho not worth it) 2003-05-23 9:24 pm Mono is going to need some kind of IDE in the near future. If people want to plod along developing in c# on linux with vim and emacs then that’s there perogative, but I prefer to use development tools for java and c# that aren’t stuck in the 1970’s. By the way, I use vim for c/c++, but it’s painful when developing java or c#. Slickedit does now have mono support and since it’s written in c, its fast and doesn’t need a lot of memory, but it’s not as feature-filled as sharpdevelop and will set you back $300. There are plugins for c# on eclipse, but the memory requirements are going to be most likely just as bad sharpdevelop. 2003-05-23 10:11 pm Here is the new marketing pitch from M$ start using the F#ing language ditch .Net. 2003-05-23 10:31 pm I have used a c# app and it loads realy sllllllllooooooooowwwwww. I can only imagine that ms will have the c# interpretter loaded at startup, but it is still slow as F#ing hell. 2003-05-23 11:23 pm so is my tea kettle’s spout as it sends out copious streams of vapour. 2003-05-24 6:05 am when will we start seeing 100% .NET based applications? Will we finally see an Office suite based on it? Mediaplayer? anything? Sorry, but until I see a proof of concept, that is, an application using ONLY the .NET framework, it will be nothing more than a novelty. 2003-05-24 4:29 pm WTF? C# for applets? Have you actually used .Net for development…?! 2003-05-25 4:00 am I believe that SharpDevlop is wholly composed in C#. 2003-05-25 6:35 am What’s the point of .NET? What compelling new applications can be built with .NET that could not be built with previous tools? Rather many interesting applications cannot be written with .NET that could have been written with the previous API’s. Only Microsoft could take an API cleanup project and rename it something fancy and shove it down the world’s throat claiming it is some brand new innovative technology. Why is the anti-benchmarking clause still in the .NET license? Because .NET is a fat pile of bloatware that is not suitable for any application that has to run fast? Multi-language interop is cool. Except in Microsoft’s version, they dumbed everything down so you cannot even implement the compelling features of non-Microsoft languages. So you are stuck with Microsoft languages or a dumbed down version of the non-Microsoft language. As is abundantly clear, Microsoft only does things that benefit Microsoft. There is very little customer benefit to .NET. 2003-05-25 6:36 am Nice, however, when will we start seeing applications being made available by Microsoft? it would be like SUN developing Java but not developing a Java IDE or using it in any part of their operating system. 2003-05-25 6:49 am Most of the non-Java engineers at Sun are against Java for many of the same reasons real engineers have issues with .NET: 1. It is SLOW 2. It is IMPOSSIBLE TO DEBUG 3. It is UNSTABLE on long running systems 4. It is FAT and EATS LIKE A STARVING PIG 5. It is MORE COMPLICATED than the old system 6. The design is FLAWED for high-performance systems We know Microsoft software utilizes the internal .NET API, not the public API that they tell all the dumb-F# corporate developers to use.