From the Mac news site MacMinute: It appears as though Apple has removed all of the “Switch” commercials from its web site. When trying to view the ads, which used to be available here, you are redirected to Apple’s “Switching to Mac: Real Stories” page. In April, Apple removed the “Switch” tab graphic from the top of its web site navigation to make room for the “Music” tab, although all of the content remained at apple.com/switch. Several media outlets have recently claimed that the campaign was a failure, citing stagnant Apple market share numbers. Also, read our interview with a switcher here.
Apple Removes ‘Switch’ Ads
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In commercials it is allot more important to generate a positive feeling about a brand and product. It’s also important that people actually remember your brand. The idea is not that people should rush out of their house to buy a computer after seeing a commercial. The idea is that they consider an apple computer when they need a new computer.
Funny commercials will do that (thanks ellen feiss). Showing people you admire and respect will do that (nba players). Showing a hunk of metal and a bunch of numbers? Not really.. Coca Cola commercials don’t describe how coca cola tastes like, it shows people having fun. They try to associate coca cola with a “fun feeling”. “Fun people buy Coca Cola”
Apple should associate their products and their brand with beautiful design, ease of use, powerful, fun, high quality… “People who want high quality buy Apple”.
But most people wont. People are used to their PC’s, I think some people would like to know more about the value and price of a Mac. (As “some people” I am refering to like the average American PC consumer, like from the ages of 20-40)
Computers are commodities. It is no use building a quality machine because it will be totally obsolete long before it is worn out. Make them cheap as possible with a 2-3 year effective lifespan.
PCs (the box) should cost no more than US$250-350 and just add a high quality monitor, keyboard etc.
It is much cheaper to buy a $250 box and sell it for $50 after 18 months than get something much better.
Apple hasn’t figured that out yet.
Someone said Apple ads should focus on “quality”.
But there is nothing “quality” about Mac. Oh the machines look fancy, but that is not “quality”, that is “style”. Apples are still made with bottom quality parts, many of them the *cheapest* crap part you can find, often many years old compared to the PC market.
Let’s look at realtiy. Because of simple price economics, most *new* Apple users are going to be previous PC users.
From a usability and retraining standpoint, going from PC to Mac is hellish, especially considering most apps don’t look the same, work the same, or use compatible data.
And then comes cost — the *price* of going from PC to Mac is outrageous. Do I want to BUY ALL MY APPS again? Do I want to go through the hell of finding the Mac versions of all the fonts I currently use on Windows… with many fonts not even having the same names?
All in all, Mac is a lost cause. It delivers nothing compelling that is not available on Windows. There is no second vendor to keep the primary vendor honest. There are no games available, far fewer apps, less hardware, etc. It’s a backwater. Everything costs more. What is the point? Why would I ever switch from my open PC universe to Apple’s high cost luxury hotel?
Apple thinks shiny metal “apps for dummies” and shiny metal computers are going to convince PC users in droves to switch to Mac. Obviously PC users think different.
There is TONS of games for Apple! Gamers will feel fine just switching, here are some games: Zork, Warcraft 3, BOOM, Diablo 2, Quake 3, now tell me those arent work switching for. Hehe. Anyways, switching to a Mac is a total loss, I dont think because it’s more stable (which it isnt) or those iApps are a reason to switch, OMG I get iApps now Im going to lose thousands of software titles to go to a PC! Not..
I don’t think you have figured it out.
If people are keeping their computers for longer, then they are going to want them to look good rather than have a beige box sitting on the floor.
I want something that looks nice…you have to admit for general computing all computers are fast enough, even a P1.
You assume people want to upgrade after 18 months and won’t keep the pc for longer than 3 years… everybody know mac users keep their pc for longer, so your arguement is void.
Well there are already some specs of Xserve/Panther:
http://www.macnn.com/news/19916
G4 or G5 – does not matter. As I mentioned before Xserve on G4 was unable to hold on under heavy load and from article above seems that xserve/panther will not do(much) better on G5. 64-bit computing does not automatically mean that system will work great under heavy load if OS is not designed for it.
“1. Price constraints. My girlfriend bought a new HP (sans monitor) for $700. This was an AthlonXP 2600+ with 512mb DDR333 SDRAM, with an 80gb HD. You can’t get a comparable Mac for $700. It doesn’t matter if the ones at $1200 are great or not if there’s nothing at that all-important <$800 segment.”
i think you mean configuration complaints. HP allows you to buy less and therefore pay for less. However, Apple’s prices are same or less when specs are matched.
I agree with the original statement. She bought a cheap HP and there was no comparable Mac available. The statement wasn’t ambiguous. There’s no need to go on a crusade.
Actually the Opteron probably out performs the G5, I wonder why Apple chose to compare the G5 to 2 yr old Xeons.
1. According to Apple Opterons weren’t used because there were no shipping systems available when they ran their tests.
2. I didn’t realize Intel had been producing 3 Ghz Xeons for 2 years.
Actually I bet they took it down because the campaign didnt work.
Every campaign needs to run its course. Except for the budweiser frogs – that could’ve gone on forever
“The most cheapest G5 is $2000 – not so much for a consumery price, heh?
Actually the cheapest is $1800 if you configure out the superdrive and replace it with a DVD/CDRW.
What inconcievable reason is there for 64-bit for consumer video production? What technical rationale is there? Precisely that, and by time consumers would really enjoy the benefits of 64-bit (i.e. when cameras get more detailed than human eyes, and terabytes are beginning to be used to meassure hard disks, not gigabytes..), I’m quite sure Microsoft would have a version of Windows made for consumers that is for 64-bit.
People tend to use their computers for a while. Maybe two years from now there will be several great consumer applications that benefit greatly from 64-bit. While in the windows world everyone will have to buy a new computer to benefit from it, in the Mac world everyone that bought a new G5 within the past 2 years will be able to benefit immediately.
The same thing goes with respect to memory. Sure, Panther won’t be true 64 bit. But I guarantee there will be a new OS release in the future that will address the full 64 bits available on the G5 – and you won’t have to buy a new computer to do it. Again, windows users will probably need a new machine if they’ve been running P4’s.
Actually, you have no reason to believe that, as no such test has been made yet.”
Dual 2GHz PowerPC G5
L2 cache 512K per processor
FSB 1GHz per processor
max 2-way
Where did you get the idea that it is max 2-way? The current motherboard and chipset supports 2-way. But a server line of more than 2-way is certainly feasible.
Or are you just trying to prove that the Opteron is a workstation/server chip and the G5 is a desktop chip? I am sure others in this discussion would love to hear that!
Apple did not compare their G5 computer with the shipping Opteron computers which have 1MB on-chip cache and an on-chip dual-channel memory controller (from BOXX).
Apple did not compare their G5 computer with the NEW Xeons that have the additional 1MB L3 cache on the chip.
Apple did not compare their G5 computer with the Itanium2’s running at 1.5Ghz with 6MB on-chip cache.
Every machine that Apple did not compare themselves to is not only faster than the G5, but is shipping now.
Every machine that Apple did not compare themselves to is a professional machine that supports ECC memory.
The Apple G5 is not shipping and is unlikely to ship until October.
As usual, Apple delivers hype and lies while other companies deliver high performance computers at a good price.
Again, tell me, why do these people need 64-bit? I think you are sadly mistaken – 64-bit does NOT mean twice the speed of 32-bit.
Jason: Oh boy…more of the same tired garbage from the ill-informed crowd. There must be thousands of true arguements against this statement of yours in on OS News. I have no desire to regurgitate it.
But you didn’t shallow it in the first place!
Jason: There is engineering software for the Mac. And since Mac is a UNIX, you can run the UNIX engineering packages in OS X. And oh yeah…Virtual PC can take care of Windows engineering tools (though I doubt you would need it since you can easily cover your bases with OS X).
Just about every civil engineer I now uses AutoCAD. Mac version anywhere? Besides, just because of Darwin, it doesn’t mean those propreitary software from platforms like AIX, Solaris, IRIX, etc. can run out of the box on the Mac. And Virtual PC is too slow for professional apps, if you want to buy a Mac to run PC software – isn’t it wiser to buy a PC?
Jason: I think that is the critical thing. That is why my home machine is still a Windows XP machine. I bought this thing about 1.5 years ago. I now regret having chosen yet another Windows machine. It works fine…but not a 1/10 as smooth as the Macs I have used at work.
Guess what? You’re a geek. How do I know? You are on OSNews? Some people can run things as complicated as an airlines reservation system, yet when it comes to something as simple as AOL, it is just plain complicated to them. A whole lot of people just stick to what they know. Unless for some reason (killer feature, for example).
Jason: I now realize (after actually having worked with OS X at work) that there really isn’t a whole lot that I would have to learn…and things in the OS seem much more consistent than Windows.
A lot of things in life doesn’t take much to learn. It takes a whole lot more to get used to it, to make it a routine.
Jason: Further, there is nothing to stop you from running WINE on OS X. Just compile it.
Wine by it self on Mac OS X runs absolutely nothing, without running it via something like Bochs – which removes the entire novelty of the idea.
Anonymous: Its not so much an issue of price or a learning curve, its the fact that Microsoft will not be catering to this market by providing software that can take advantage of it… However, Microsoft is very interested in catering to the needs/wants of professionals requiring 64bit solutions… hence, XP Pro is not for consumers.
Please, if you are so damn smart, tell me one, just one tiny weeny feature for consumers that isn’t available for Windows XP Pro? None? Precisely. Everything from Windows Movie Maker to Windows Messenger is right in Windows XP Pro. There is no difference to consumers.
Anonymous: Actually, it is. Apple has been working towards the goal of getting consumers interested in software that can be benefited by 64-bit technology. These include DVD authoring, Video editing and audio editing/creation.
Yes I can see, Apple is marketing software worth hundreds of dollars, namely Final Cut Pro/Express, Shake, DVD Cut Pro, Soundtrack, and Logic for the consumer market?
Oh no, somebody tell Apple they are doing big mistakes on their site – On http://www.apple.com/powermac is totally catered towards the professional market. And in their benchmarks on real-life apps, they use professional apps. Oh no, what are they doing?! And with quotes like these, “The Power Mac G5 delivers a significant performance leap that will delight design and publishing professionals,” they are given the absolute wrong impression!
Anonymous: $2,000 is an excellent price for the consumer that wants to take advantage of software technologies that can be benefited by 64bit.
Nope, can’t really imagine consumers like you Ma and Pa in Ohio, or Mrs. Wang in Taiwan, would want to have a complex ever-changing database, or build a render farm, or something of that sort…
Anonymous: Again, I said it is a small market, but it will grow as Apple continues its efforts to make consumer multimedia with high-end functionality more accessible.
iMovie – lowest-end. Final Cut Pro- mid-end. Guess which
targets consumers? Come on, you can do it? Come on, come on – oh yes, you got it right – iMovie! Give yourself a star.
A different Anonymous: There’s more to home/pro — for example relating to the capabilities of the partition handling. I beliefe you can add more physical discs to pro subsequently and add it as additional space to a partion without reformating, etc… stuff like that.
Again, why would the consumer want to make the amount of partitions that 32-bit doesn’t allow? I only can see one place for this market – high end backup and file servers. And sorry, if Apple wants to get in there, they have to compete with the likes of IBM and Sun, not the best of ideas.
I see the idea that Apple machines would be more expensive that PC machines constantly denied here. Thus I’d like to present the people who say this isn’t true a challenge. Match this from the Apple product line with an equal or better product and roughly for the same price.
FOREWARNING: Bascule, take deep breaths, sit down, and think I’m not writing this, I’m concern about your health. Why? I’m actualy gonna defend the Mac this time!
Can you get anything comparable with the G5 from top-end companies? I tried, I can’t. Anything compable feature-pre-feature with the PowerBook, especially on things like battery life – I couldn’t either. Or what about the iBook?
With that said, low-end Mac desktops (eMacs, iMacs) and most of the times, PowerMacs aren’t as worth it as PCs. But I find laptop Macs have extremely good value.
have really tried a Mac.
Tried a Mac. Give me a Mac, I can use it within seconds. I’m extremely familar with it, especially OS 9.
There is TONS of games for Apple! Gamers will feel fine just switching, here are some games: Zork, Warcraft 3, BOOM, Diablo 2, Quake 3, now tell me those arent work switching for.
Besides most of the games for Mac comes out months after the Windows version, go to http://www.gamespot.com and count how many games aren’t available on the Mac.
Has anyone noticed that EVERY apple thread on OSNews has broken 100 message mark? This one will too.
Yeah, I hope Eugenia gets paid for page hits on her banner ads and not click-through
🙂
People have been saying for the last 10 years how apple can’t do business, and will go bankrupt any day now. They are probably the same people who thought that those dotCom companies would survive.
But surely the worst annoying Mac bug (or is it a feature?) is the hord of Mac zealots, always insulting anyone who dare say the truth about Macs ( a bit like a cult in fact).
What gets peoples panties in a bind (on both sides) is when people take one personal experience and declare it as fact.
Fine, you don’t like the iApps. Saying that they “suck (Yes they do!)” isn’t leaving much room for other people’s opinions is it? It’s stating a fact and daring anyone to disagree with you. That may not be zealotry but it’s certainly being unreasonable.
But then we get to the rest of your post and see that you’re just a bratty little kid. I could write more but it’s not worth my time.
Has anyone noticed that EVERY apple thread on OSNews has broken 100 message mark? This one will too.
Yeah, I hope Eugenia gets paid for page hits on her banner ads and not click-through
🙂
And the posts of actual substance wouldn’t be enough to fill a page :p
And yes I mean for all the apple threads…LOL
“If people are keeping their computers for longer”
I don’t think that people want to, that’s the whole problem Apple has. You see, CPU power doubles every 18 month; graphics greatly improve as well.
I don’t want to keep my PC for 4 years, because: Think about what was up-to-date then (4 years ago) performance-wise? — Crap. I want current games, I want divx, etc, etc. I don’t always buy a completely new machine. For example with this one, I swapped the CPU from a 633 to 800 to 1400. Looking back at that, my mobo is real good value.
I believe you Mac-users have talked yourselves into something… that is the believe that you would *want* to keep the system as-is. In fact, you only made yourself comfortable with the FACT that you HAVE to. Because you can’t upgrade you G4 CPU-wise, for example. You could buy a new one every year, sure enough, but that is not really viable financally. So you stick with your outdated stuff and moan in forums like this how Mac-users don’t need faster machines, they’d last longer bla-bla…
PCs last exactly as long as Macs do. For starters, they use the same components throughout, expect for the CPU. Now the world hasn’t yet heard of PC-life-span being 3 years because the Intel CPUs explode after that period of time in a miraculous way — these sytems disappear because you can do something about it for little money via upgrades — with the Mac you simply couldn’t get anything substancially new for moderate costs, if you look back at the G4-era as an example.
I never *really want* to keep my computer knowing all this cool new stuff is out there. If you look at my CPU-history, you will find taht I don’t run after every latest craziness, but the possiblity is there and many people sure do it. Not so with the Mac, because you couldn’t.
Don’t try to sell me Apple’s/Moto’s past inability to deliver powerful upgrades/ upgrades at all as the users desire to stay with the ancient crap from 3 or 4 years ago… I don’t want to ROTFL.
Oh.. to add to that: IIRC, they didn’t even benchmark against their target, which is Windows, they did it in Linux…
Apple is sooo incredibly lame.
You mainly talk about computers in the way you use computers, you are not everybody so not everybody needs to upgrade.
Also you assume i am a mac user, i have a pc as well as a mac.
I’m not telling you anything other than the fact that people DO keep their machines for longer than 3 years…actually work somewhere or go to somebody else house, you will see them owning a complete piece of shit…however, it works for them and to them it isn’t obsolete.
By the way, i bought an apple machine a few months ago, i’m looking to upgrade now (to another apple of course) …kinda negates your point doesn’t it about WANTING to keep machines for longer.
Appple will have G5s on the market. Toms hardware and others will benchmark real world apps running on Opteron/XP Pro, Itanium 2 and 1MB cache Xeons against G5s. Apple propaganda will be disproved just like their previous G4 blatant performance lies.
Guys,
Can start to flame. 2 months ago had bought my first ever Mac. Not the best one (not that rich) but a decent one. Finaly made after several years of Windows. Here is the story, just get you away from the OS and machine war. I wanted a system which is simple enough for my wife, the kid can play some games (and I do not want him to play the popular games, as most of them just too violent), and I can play with a Unix based system, can develop, and all in one. Before I had several machines, laptop for the wife, old PC for the kid, and a Linux machine for myself. Had spent nights front of them. Might sound stupid, but had enough and bought the Mac. Never had a problem to learn the OS, easy enough to be used by the wife, and does everything we need. And since I have enough from computers, this will be my last machine, will never buy a new one (not talking about the kid). However I agree, the price scheme sucks big time in Europe, even in France, which is considered a Mac friendly machine.
Have a good weekend,
Zsolt
I’m not telling you anything other than the fact that people DO keep their machines for longer than 3 years…actually work somewhere or go to somebody else house, you will see them owning a complete piece of shit…however, it works for them and to them it isn’t obsolete.
I currently have 6 computers in use. The newest of which is 1.2 Ghz Celeron laptop… the slowest is a 120Mhz Pentium.
All of which serve their purposes beautifully. Slow machines are excellent for things such as firewalls, file and print servers, and the like. Plus, for older games they’re a godsend as many newer machines are incompatible.
Plus…consider what average Joe user does with his machines…Internet, E-mail, Simple (non-3d) games, Wordprocessing, and Spreadsheets. What computer do you need to perform these tasks with, with reasonable efficiency? To be honest, a Pentium MMX with Win98 and Office 97 or MS Works, aught to do the trick quite nicely.
If I wanna play games, I’ll go buy a PlayStation or a GameCube. The computer gaming experience just plain sucks to be quite honest.
I swapped the CPU from a 633 to 800 to 1400. Looking back at that, my mobo is real good value.
Because you can’t upgrade you G4 CPU-wise, for example. You could buy a new one every year, sure enough, but that is not really viable financally. So you stick with your outdated stuff and moan in forums like this how Mac-users don’t need faster machines
You can easily upgrade Mac cpus. My Beige 233 can go all the way to 1Ghz. My last mac started at 90 mhz. and went up to 450 mhz. I believe it could go to 800.
Can you tell me were these CPU (Mac) upgrades are?
Thank you
Sorry, you cannot sell that to me. I do know the possibility is there to upgrade them. I always had a look at how much that would cost and I can tell you that all forums carrying such news always agreed on that these upgrades are so insanely expensive that it is not something you would desire.
http://www.powerlogix.com
http://www.gigadesigns.com
http://www.sonnettech.com
They run from about $280 (800) to $500(1.2)US, depeding on the model. Some slower ones (400 – 500) are $100 – $200.
Did it take your hours of google searching to find those? I can name 5 stores that sell Windows CPUs: Circuit City, newegg, tigerdirect, pricewatch, compusa, best buy..
And $500 for a 1.25ghz G4????!!! I could get a 3ghz (800mhz FBS) at pricewatch.com for $383… Macs are too expensive.
Actually, you have no reason to believe that, as no such test has been made yet.”
Dual 2GHz PowerPC G5
L2 cache 512K per processor
FSB 1GHz per processor
max 2-way
Where did you get the idea that it is max 2-way? The current motherboard and chipset supports 2-way. But a server line of more than 2-way is certainly feasible. ”
Well I compared current offerings of Apple and AMD. I know that it is feasible to have more than 2-way G5 but never heard from Apple about it and with proposed capabilities of Xserve/Panther it makes not much sense (low-end server as I mentioned before)
Or are you just trying to prove that the Opteron is a workstation/server chip and the G5 is a desktop chip? I am sure others in this discussion would love to hear that!
This is overinterpretation. The guy said that there is no reason to belive that Opteron can be faster than G5, so I provided him with data showing otherwise.
Did it take your hours of google searching to find those? I can name 5 stores that sell Windows CPUs: Circuit City, newegg, tigerdirect, pricewatch, compusa, best buy..
No, I just typed in the urls. the companies are fairly well known.
And $500 for a 1.25ghz G4????!!! I could get a 3ghz (800mhz FBS) at pricewatch.com for $383… Macs are too expensive.
While you’re there you’ll probably need to get a new CPU fan, motherboard, and memory to go with your new cpu. It’s about adding life to an old machine.
Appple will have G5s on the market. Toms hardware and others will benchmark real world apps running on Opteron/XP Pro, Itanium 2 and 1MB cache Xeons against G5s. Apple propaganda will be disproved just like their previous G4 blatant performance lies.
It would have been very easy for you to write the same content without trolling.
Here’s how:
Apple will have G5s on the market. Toms hardware and others will benchmark real world apps running on Opteron/XP Pro, Itanium 2 and 1MB cache Xeons against G5s. Then we will see where the different systems really stand in relation to each other.
See how easy that was? It makes you look more reasonable AND more intelligent. “Reasonable” because the statement isn’t obnoxious. “Intelligent” because until the independant benchmarks happen no one actually knows who will be faster. Your comments baselessly presume that the G5 will be slower but an intelligent person would acknowledge that any outcome is possible.
I know you didn’t bring it up but I love how people that talk about “G4 lies” tend to bring up the supercomputer commercial. You guys do realize that commercial was a result of the outdated US export laws, right? The G4 was technically classified as a supercomputer by the export control rules.
“While you’re there you’ll probably need to get a new CPU fan, motherboard, and memory to go with your new cpu. It’s about adding life to an old machine. ”
I dont need to get a new motherboard…. I can have my old pentium 4 1.4ghz and upgrade it with a 2.8ghz P4 no prob.
But you are right. Upgrading with a Mac IS easier. With a PC, you have to buy a new video card (lets use video cards) open your case, switch “jumpers” but with a Mac you just throw it away and buy a new one.
How do you expect to upgrate your G4 to a G5? You cant. Good luck affording a $3000 G5!
I must admit that processor upgrades on the mac are much better than the PC. Motherboard arcitechtures for the PC change rapidly, therefore inhibiting the range of CPUs that can be used. Every time I’ve bought a motherboard and CPU, I never upgraded the processor; I had to buy a new motherboard and processor becuase my old motherboard didn’t support a high enough CPU that would have made it worthwhile to upgrade. While it is still cheaper to buy a new motherboard and CPU for PC to upgrade, it’s just more work.
Oh, and even if I did have to upgrade that 3ghz CPU with a motherboard, I would just get a combo at pricewatch.com (New mobo and CPU) for $400, or just get a P4 with 3ghz and a mobo for $100 which equals $483 and its steal cheaper than your g4 CPU.
Oh, and even if I did have to upgrade that 3ghz CPU with a motherboard, I would just get a combo at pricewatch.com (New mobo and CPU) for $400, or just get a P4 with 3ghz and a mobo for $100 which equals $483 and its steal cheaper than your g4 CPU.
Never said it wouldn’t be cheaper.
I have an self-built Athlon XP 1700, and I am pretty sure that I will never upgrade it. I’ll replace it with a new G5. Why? Because price isn’t everything!
I like OS X much better than any version of Windows or Linux. (XP looks like someone ate a box of crayons and threw up on my monitor)
So yeah, I’ll spend a few bucks extra for a really nice G5, and I’ll use it for several years, and I’ll be more than happy with my decision. That’s more than I can say for my PC.
Little do you know about upgradability.. 🙂
The BX chipset was introduced in 1998 (!!) and you can still buy new Celerons for it — so did I. We are now in year SIX of upgradability and usability… not bad, eh?
[i]I like OS X much better than any version of Windows or Linux. (XP looks like someone ate a box of crayons and threw up on my monitor) </I?
Right on.
I think that windows looks like sh*t compared to other operating systems (Linux, OS X). I too think OS X is the best and once I have money some day after I graduate next spring, I’d really like to buy one.
…But maybe Apple had only actually meant the switch campaign to go on for so long. I mean, what company has a marketing campaign that goes on for ever. It was bound to end sometime. Plus I am sure people get tired of seeing the same people urge them to switch too.
I dont think ANY Mac is worth $3000. With Windows you can do more, easier, and its faster. Windows does NOT crash unless: A Bad peripheral, or badly coded software. Sure, Windows has more viruses, but you can get Virus protection software. With Windows, you get more, with Mac, you lose more. Why get a $2500 1ghz Mac when I can get a $1000 3ghz Pentium 4?
“Mac when I can get a $1000 3ghz Pentium 4?”
Add as a “Pentium 4 Machine
We need an edit button, oh well.
Interesting idea. But your assumption is not true. Good ads, hell, even bad ones run forever. I cannot speak for the whole world, of course, but I am +30 now and there are campains that have been the same for all my life and new ones which haven’t changed for decades.
For example the Lucky Strike one, Marlboro cowboy, insurance company-ones… there are quite a few campains I can think of, even if they may be terribly 80s by now in my opinion.
The problem with the switch campaign lies somewhere else. Ellen Feiss is not “funny” as in Laurel + Hardy. More precisely, many people think of her as a real-life moron — she’s not funny, she’s being made fun of — big difference. Even worse is the guy presenting the iPod (wearing red T-shirt?) He’s so retarded, he can’t even spell out a single English sentence propperly. That’s not funny, that’s sad. I don’t want to be associated with retards and morons. And I highly doubt he can operate that iPod with the degree of intelligence he is trying to communicate in the ad. It was about time they knocked off this bunch “computer experts”…
<sarcasm>Yet another enlightening Apple thread.</sarcasm>
MacLacky: Apple’s are better, faster, and prettier than PC’s
PCLuser: Nuh-uh, PC’s are better, Macs are slow, and Macs too expensive
MacLacky: Macs are not expensive! They cost the same as a PC
PCLuser: Nuh-uh, expensive Expensive EXPENSIVE!!!
MacLacky: Nuh-uh *starts to tear up* I’m gonna tell my mommy on you!!!
PCLuser:Go ahead…expensive Expensive EXPENSIVE!!! *thumbs nose at Maclacky*
Damn, now don’t you all feel mature?
LOL! Its a fact, PC’s are cheaper! There is no Mac under $500, the cheapest Mac they have is that eMac, which is $700, it comes with 120mb sdram, 800mhz G4, 40gb HDD, CD rom, why get that when I can get a 512 ram, 3ghz P4 with mobo, ATX case power supply, DVDrw, Radeon 9200 pro, for $700?
We really need an edit button. That PC has a 60gb hard drive and the eMac has 128mb SDRAM with a Radeon 7500, and the PC comes with XP home.
There is no reason for a PC user to switch completely when he/she has already invested so much in the PC. The best approach would be to add a Mac into the equation. The two can now be easily networked. This way he/she can try out a cheap Mac for several months e.g an eMac that costs less than $800 or an iBook (<$1000). It takes a while to realize the advantages of a Mac- you cannot go by specs alone- the PC will win on specs every time. But be forewarned-once you get hooked on a Mac, it will be hard to go back!
Cheers and happy computing!
LOL! Its a fact, PC’s are cheaper! There is no Mac under $500, the cheapest Mac they have is that eMac, which is $700, it comes with 120mb sdram, 800mhz G4, 40gb HDD, CD rom, why get that when I can get a 512 ram, 3ghz P4 with mobo, ATX case power supply, DVDrw, Radeon 9200 pro, for $700?
I agree with you, but that point has been well established, and you’ll never convince the Mac users that don’t want to believe it, even if it’s blatantly obvious to most of us.
Likewise, Mac users, we know you love your Macs, and they would bear your children for you if it was biologically possible. However, what works for you, may not work for the rest of us. I’d love a Mac just to play around with and to do cross-platform testing of the software I write and the webpages I design, but for day to day work, I just couldn’t see myself using anything other than Linux or FreeBSD, and for the apps that require it, Windows. Macs just aren’t flexible enough for my needs, and yes I have used Macs and seen them in action. My roomie at college this past year had one.
Nobody’s minds are gonna change here…and some intelligent commentary that’s actually ON TOPIC for the article would be greatly appreciated.
I have a suggestion for OSNews…have a separate moderation for Off Topic…maybe that’d actually keep people on the topic they should be on, without mixing this stuff in with the blatant troll attempts.
I wouldnt want to “add” a Mac. Why would I want to add a mac? Everything I can do on a Mac I can do better on a PC..
Doesnt seem like YOU’RE on topic lol.
Doesnt seem like YOU’RE on topic lol.
LOL…you’re right…personally I could give a flying f*ck about Apple’s Ads, i just saw the ridiculous post count for an article on friggin computer ads, and new the Zealots and Anti-Zealots were at it again. Maybe next time an Apple-related article that I do actually care about won’t be so flooded with crap. LOL…yes I know it’s a pipe dream
Yeah. glad they finally took them down. About 90% of those were crap and lies. “I cant plug in my digital camera because I dont know which cable to use with Windows!” did someone ever tell him its the same cable you use with a Mac?
Interesting… I’ve been using Macs since 1984 and I’ve never heard of MacMinute until today. The biggest Mac sites?
MacNN
MacOSRumors
MacCentral
But MacMinute? Guess I should check them out sometime.
I dont think ANY Mac is worth $3000.
Comparable PC’s cost the same amount…
With Windows you can do more, easier, and its faster.<i/>
more? no. easier? depends on the individual. faster? maybe.
[i]Windows does NOT crash unless: A Bad peripheral, or badly coded software.
That’s the flip side to the PC platforms low price. Apple’s tighter control of the hardware (usually) means these problems are less frequent. How do you know if a peripheral or piece of software is bad? You don’t until you try it out. I certainly didn’t expect EZ-CD Creator to hose my Win2k system. Some of the low priced hardware out there is really low quality.
Sure, Windows has more viruses, but you can get Virus protection software.
I once lost a couple of months work to a virus my daughter downloaded from LimeWire. (I was too cheap to update the anti-virus software EVERY YEAR!
With Windows, you get more, with Mac, you lose more. Why get a $2500 1ghz Mac when I can get a $1000 3ghz Pentium 4?[/i]
It would actually be a 1.8 Ghz. G5 for $2500. And about 1300 for the cheapest 3GHZ PIV with a DVD Burner, smaller HD, lesser video card, and cheap plastic case.
I would rather have a nice mac than a cheapo PC.
“It would actually be a 1.8 Ghz. G5 for $2500. And about 1300 for the cheapest 3GHZ PIV with a DVD Burner, smaller HD, lesser video card, and cheap plastic case. ”
Okay, how about this: A Dell Dimension XPS 1gb ram, 3.2ghz Pentium 4 CPU, ATI Radeon 9800 pro, Altec Lansing Speakers, 17″ flat panal display, Sound blaster audigy 6, DVD rw and a DVD optical 3 year warranty 200gb HDD for $3866.
OR a 1.6ghz G5, 2gb ram, 17″ display, no speakers, no 3 year warranty, 160 HDD, Radeon 9600 pro, for $3899.
A PC is clearly the better choice.
errr…. (We need an edit button) The PC not only has a better video card, CPU, Hard drive, sound system, opticals, and warranty, it is yet, still cheaper by $33.
From a marketing stand point, the switcher adds were a complete waste. They seemed to be targeted at either first time buyers or the completely clueless.
These people are probably going to (a) buy the cheapest machine (since they can’t tell a good one from a bad one), or (b) they’ll ask someone they know who “knows a lot about computers” and there’s a 97% chance he’ll be a PC user and will recommend a PC.
If your going to sell high end systems, your ads need to be targeted to that demographic.
In reference to my complaints with Mac pricing:
“Oh boy…more of the same tired garbage from the ill-informed crowd. There must be thousands of true arguements against this statement of yours in on OS News. I have no desire to regurgitate it.”
So, if I’m so misinformed, show me a comparable Apple. Some quick specs to match:
AthlonXP 2600+, 512mb DDR333, GF4MX, Firewire, 7200rpm 80gb HD USB2.0, no monitor, 3 year accidental damage warranty, free shipping, for $800. Truthfully, I think it ran under that, but I’ll allow some leeway.
I’m not lying. I looked on the Apple store. iMac? Nope, nothing comparable. eMac? Nope, nothing comparable – the low-end machine ramps up to about $1000 when you try to accessorize it properly. PowerMac G4? Nope, nothing close.
I’m looking. I really am. But there’s no way you can convince me that these underpowered G4s are going to compete with an AthlonXP 2600+. Perhaps if Apple hadn’t shoved monitors onto all of their entry level machines, they might have had a chance. Personally, I doubt it – those monitors are not of the highest quality in the world anyways.
So, really, enlighten me. Please. It’s one thing to tell me I’m misinformed when I’ve done no research. It’s another thing to tell me that I’m misinformed when I’ve obviously tried to inform myself.
-Erwos
You can just add a 19″ CRT monitor for $140. There is still no eMac or ANY Mac that matches with that.
Anyways, Apple shouldve tooken those Ads down a long time ago, they were annoying and not persuasive.
Comparable PC’s cost the same amount… ($3000)
The cheapest baseline Power Mac costs more than the most expensive baseline Dell desktop PC. Regardless of the specs, it’s a sign of the problem of marketing the systems against one another. (for reference, though, the Dell is a 2.8GHz CPU w/ 512MB 400MHz RAM, 19″ CRT, 80GB UltraATA hd, 128MB Radeon 9800, DVD-ROM (upgrading to DVD+RW/CD-RW costs $180 which brings it to about the same price as the Mac). Of course, I also see it as a question of choice, because I never buy pre-built systems unless they’re from local retailers that will build the system with the exact parts I ask for.
more? no. easier? depends on the individual. faster? maybe.
All 3 questions are dependant on the individual. Some people can’t get the applications they want on a Mac, and some can’t get them on a PC (it all depends on what you’re looking for). Similarly, some people are more efficient with the Windows interface, while others are more efficient with the OS X interface.
(Windows crashes)
That’s the flip side to the PC platforms low price. Apple’s tighter control of the hardware (usually) means these problems are less frequent. How do you know if a peripheral or piece of software is bad? You don’t until you try it out. I certainly didn’t expect EZ-CD Creator to hose my Win2k system. Some of the low priced hardware out there is really low quality.
It’s not the flip side of the price, it’s the flip side of the business model (the fact that just about anyone can build an x86 peripheral, or even a core component like the motherboard or CPU). As far as knowing if it’s bad, you can find out by looking for information online. Depending on what version of EZ-CD Creator you were using, you could’ve had the patches downloaded before you tried to install it, or waited for the version that did support 2k properly. Some low priced hardware is low quality, but other manufacturers specifically target the low-price sector with quality parts, they just don’t meet the specifications of their high-priced parts (ie nVidia’s MX line, which Apple has used heavily).
(virus protection)
I once lost a couple of months work to a virus my daughter downloaded from LimeWire. (I was too cheap to update the anti-virus software EVERY YEAR!
With some free software (ie AdAware) you would’ve found that LimeWire itself was probably doing things to screw up your system anyway. Virus control/protection is as much about the user as it is about the software. Any system can be infected, yet none of my computers (Windows or otherwise) have suffered an infection, with or without using anti-virus software (I usually only install NAV when my computer is acting strange and I’m trying to troubleshoot it, which isn’t as often as most would claim, but isn’t non-existant, either).
It would actually be a 1.8 Ghz. G5 for $2500. And about 1300 for the cheapest 3GHZ PIV with a DVD Burner, smaller HD, lesser video card, and cheap plastic case.
Some people have different requirements. I run a 2GHz PIV at the moment, with an aluminum case (it was my only choice at the time, I needed a new CPU/case/motherboard asap), and I really have no need (yet) for anything faster (and in the past I was the guy out there buying new parts every month to replace one thing or another just to upgrade, not because things didnt work). I also have absolutely no use for a DVD burner, and my GeForce 4 video card should work just fine for a while. Of course, I haven’t bought anything for my system in about 6 months (the video card was 6 months ago, the CPU/etc was 13 months ago), and probably won’t for at least another 6 months (probably another hard drive).
Would I like to buy a Mac? Only if I could buy it a couple parts at a time. I can’t justify dropping $2000+ all at once on a computer. Even though my first computer cost me quite a bit more than a fairly high-end Mac now, it took me 6 months to acquire the parts, and would’ve taken longer if it weren’t for the fact that CPU and RAM prices dropped quite quickly during that time period (even though the 400 MHz CPU was still top of the line when I bought it).
I would rather have a nice mac than a cheapo PC.
I’d rather have a nice PC than a cheapo PC. I’d also rather have a Mac without buying a DVD burner, Apple keyboard/mouse, and dial-up modem, but that won’t happen.
Okay, how about this: A Dell Dimension XPS 1gb ram, 3.2ghz Pentium 4 CPU, ATI Radeon 9800 pro, Altec Lansing Speakers, 17″ flat panal display, Sound blaster audigy 6, DVD rw and a DVD optical 3 year warranty 200gb HDD for $3866.
The Dell model with:
Pentium® 4 Processor at 3.2GHz with 800MHz front side bus
512MB Dual Channel DDR SDRAM at 400MHz (2x256M)
128MB DDR ATI RADEONâ„¢ 9800 Pro Graphics Card w/ TV-Out,DVI
Sound Blaster Audigy 2™ sound card
200GB Ultra ATA/100 Hard Drive
DVD+RW/+R Drive w/CD-RW including Roxio’s Easy CD Creator
3.5 in Floppy Drive
56K PCI Data/Fax Modem
Integrated Intel® PRO 10/100 Ethernet
Windows® XP Professional
no monitor, speakers, or software
costs 3,037 after rebate.
The Mac with:
Dual 2GHz PowerPC G5
1GHz frontside bus
512MB DDR400 128-bit SDRAM
Expandable to 8GB SDRAM
160GB Serial ATA
SuperDrive(DVD-R/CD-RW)
Three PCI-X Slots
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
64MB DDR video memory
56K internal modem
Mac OS X
no monitor, speakers
costs $3299
A PC is clearly the better choice.
With the Dell, you get a better warranty, bigger HD.
With the Mac, you get a dual cpu machine that will smoke the (probably)Dell, faster bus, SATA, PCI – X.
Seems like the Mac is a better deal.
I didn’t include a monitor or speakers since they are interchangable.
For one thing: You get a better video card with the dell, that G5 has 64 MB VIDEO memory but the Dell has 128mb, it has no speakers, and the FBS doesnt mean anything, like people say: The AMD’s FBS is just as fast as the P4s even though the P4’s is at 800mhz and the AMDs FBS is at 400mhz. And thats like me saying my Pentium 4 3.2ghz is faster that your G5 because of the MHZ numbers. Oh, and the pentium 4 is faster, trust me. 64bit doesnt make the CPU ANY faster.
Sorry for the bold in the whole comment.
For one thing: You get a better video card with the dell, that G5 has 64 MB VIDEO memory but the Dell has 128mb
No, that price includes the $300 upgrade for the 128 MB 9800 Pro.
FBS doesnt mean anything
For a lot of apps, it won’t. But for many, like the ones Apple showed at the WWDC, it will. BTW, the fsb is independant. Both cpus have a 1Ghz bus.
Oh, and the pentium 4 is faster, trust me
We’ll have to wait and see, but it won’t be faster than 2 of them either way.
Yes, but you already included the price at $3000 with the 128MB DDR ATI RADEONâ„¢ 9800 Pro Graphics Card w/ TV-Out,DVI.
“We’ll have to wait and see, but it won’t be faster than 2 of them either way.”
2 of what? Apple has ALWAYS claimed their processor was faster than the pentiums until they were proved wrong.
Any hoo were getting off topic: People dont switch because they are too expensive and Im explaining why, hehe.
Who are the ones who buy or upgrade their applications regularly?
A. Those who buy cheap PCs at $700?
B. Those who buy PCs at $2999?
I believe is B. Those in A probably just want to replace their existing PCs so that the applications can perform better.
I remember arguing with my friend about what was better, a mac or a pc. That was in 1986. It seems like the same thing now. Looking back I think we were both correct about what we liked and disliked about both. I think macs are great. I think PC’s are great. I like MacOS, Windows and Linux and have tried some of the hobby OSes. My first was MacOberon around 1992. I guess I am an OS-fangirl and that is why I come to OS news. We should all learn how to do constructive critism.
“I remember arguing with my friend about what was better, a mac or a pc. That was in 1986. It seems like the same thing now. Looking back I think we were both correct about what we liked and disliked about both. I think macs are great. I think PC’s are great. I like MacOS, Windows and Linux and have tried some of the hobby OSes. My first was MacOberon around 1992. I guess I am an OS-fangirl and that is why I come to OS news. We should all learn how to do constructive critism.”
Yes, both OS’s are good. But if you want value, apps, games, price and performence, get a Windows PC.
If you want looks, Final Cut pro, stablity, less viruses, iLife (LOL) then get a Mac.
But I dont think a 30 year old man would care for Final cut pro or how is computer looks….that’s why people arent switching, they just dont care.
I didnt live in 1986 so I just dont know…;-P
LOL! Its a fact, PC’s are cheaper!
It’s “a fact” using one narrow definition of “cheaper”. Others are just as useful.
Here is an example of what I mean:
product A comes in 1kg container and retails for $10
product B comes in a 2kg container and retails for $20
Now, is product A cheaper than product B?
Some would say “yes, because it is $10 less”
Others would say “no, while it is possible to buy less of product A the per unit cost is the same”
A PC is clearly the better choice.
Rule #2 of trolling:
State that something is clearly better when it is highly subjective and a matter of opinion
Wow! Any chances of hitting 200? Maybe I should buy some gasoline/petrol
“It’s “a fact” using one narrow definition of “cheaper”. Others are just as useful.
Here is an example of what I mean:
product A comes in 1kg container and retails for $10
product B comes in a 2kg container and retails for $20
Now, is product A cheaper than product B?”
Yes, but the PC is cheaper, BUT you get more, so a PC would be product B at a Product A price, and a Mac visa versa.
“Rule #2 of trolling:
State that something is clearly better when it is highly subjective and a matter of opinion ”
I am not trolling. I am telling you why people wont switch so they were tooken down because Macs are expensive. I like Macs, for media like FCP and DVD studio and Logic, but I dont like how they are expensive and arent compatible with software, games, and upgrades. Tell me were I have said I hated the Mac OS X..
Yes, but the PC is cheaper, BUT you get more, so a PC would be product B at a Product A price, and a Mac visa versa.
Your protests aside, it has been demonstrated time and and again that when considering every feature of the computers, OS, and included software, the product A (PC) does not “have more”. Only when you artificially restrict the comparison to 2 or 3 features (CPU speed, HD space, for instance) does the PC have “more.”
Perhaps if you were old enough to have been alive in 1986 you’d be able to understand things better. Logic is an acquired skill. We aren’t born with it.
Only the movies have been taken down. But they have been replaced with emails from the same people who were in the Quicktime movies. This is great because now all PC users who go to the switch website can read the stories. Before, one had to have quicktime installed to see the movies and this might have discouraged some from checking the switcher stories to get the full RDF effect. Note the ‘Switch’ tab is gone but a smaller sized link is present below.
“Rule #2 of trolling:
State that something is clearly better when it is highly subjective and a matter of opinion ”
I am not trolling. I am telling you why people wont switch so they were tooken down because Macs are expensive. I like Macs, for media like FCP and DVD studio and Logic, but I dont like how they are expensive and arent compatible with software, games, and upgrades. Tell me were I have said I hated the Mac OS X..
Some day you’ll understand that saying something is “clearly better” is asking for an argument. It’s leaving no room for disagreement. It’s stating a fact and implying that anyone who disagrees with it is an idiot (because only an idiot would think something different from what is “clearly” so). That’s trolling.
And if you took the time to read my note (which wasn’t very long) you would see that the terms “hate” and “OS X” did not appear in it anywhere. Nor was there anything implied.
You have much to learn.
“Your protests aside, it has been demonstrated time and and again that when considering every feature of the computers, OS, and included software, the product A (PC) does not “have more”. Only when you artificially restrict the comparison to 2 or 3 features (CPU speed, HD space, for instance) does the PC have “more.”
Perhaps if you were old enough to have been alive in 1986 you’d be able to understand things better. Logic is an acquired skill. We aren’t born with it.”
You get software with a Dell. Iapps arent compelling and are only essential to a computer. Dell comes with movie studio, Dell pictures, Music Match, and Roxio.. Apple comes with iLife. I think Mac OS X looks great, is stable, and it does have less viruses. But I am use to the taskbar and the apps and games in Windows. There is so many games that I can play I cant switch to a Mac. Oh and half the software I own dont have a Mac version or a Mac alternitive. Thats why people are not switchin.
“Some day you’ll understand that saying something is “clearly better” is asking for an argument. It’s leaving no room for disagreement. It’s stating a fact and implying that anyone who disagrees with it is an idiot (because only an idiot would think something different from what is “clearly” so). That’s trolling.
And if you took the time to read my note (which wasn’t very long) you would see that the terms “hate” and “OS X” did not appear in it anywhere. Nor was there anything implied.
You have much to learn.”
Oh, I thought trolling was like hating something else that other people liked…
Companies change their advertising focus all the time… just because some have been talking about Apple being ‘stagnant’ doesn’t mean Steve stood up and said, “Hey they’re right, those ads are embarrasing now… let’s get rid of them this very minute.”
The ads were getting old and are really not necessary at this point… Anyway, would it really matter to a switcher whether or not they can download a commercial?
Goodbye dear Jeremiah, your work is done.
“Some day you’ll understand that saying something is “clearly better” is asking for an argument. It’s leaving no room for disagreement. It’s stating a fact and implying that anyone who disagrees with it is an idiot (because only an idiot would think something different from what is “clearly” so). That’s trolling.
And if you took the time to read my note (which wasn’t very long) you would see that the terms “hate” and “OS X” did not appear in it anywhere. Nor was there anything implied.
You have much to learn.”
Just because I say it’s clearly better does NOT mean I want to make an argument. Tell me were I stated I wanted an argument. I havent, you are just replying.
You have much to learn.
Hey, Steve probably stood up and said Hey they’re right, those ads are embarrasing now… let’s get rid of them this very minute.” But I dont think he did.
Personally, I liked the Big Al / Little Al commercial with mini-me and Yao. That was pretty funny. They should have saved it for the SuperBowl.
Yeah. That was an okay commercial, its probably the best Apple commercial ever..hehe
From the NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/25/technology/25SOFT.html
Mr. Gates acknowledged today that the company’s error reporting service indicated that 5 percent of all Windows-based computers now crash more than twice each day.
I don’t think the Win9x releases had an error reporting service (I could be wrong). So much for the theory that Windows never crashes.
That’s 5%. Anyways, do I need to sign up for that NY news? Because I cant see the page…
That’s 5%. Anyways, do I need to sign up for that NY news? Because I cant see the page…
You have to register (it’s free).
Interestingly enough, there are twice as many Windows users whose machines crash twice a day than there are Mac users!
Macs DO crash as much as Windows, if not, MORE. You see, its NOT the OS itself, but the programs it runs on. Some Windows 3rd party software is badly coded, meaning it will crash and mess up your system, and Macs also have badly coded software. Mac OS X can freeze 200 times a day, and a Windows machine can freeze once a day, vice versa. Mac OS X is more stable, but can crash and freeze as much as Windows. Learn the facts first
Matt…stop…just stop…you’ve spewed more than your quota of stupidity for one day.
And Kevin Arvin…you’re a moron…that’s all I can say:
From the NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/25/technology/25SOFT.html
Mr. Gates acknowledged today that the company’s error reporting service indicated that 5 percent of all Windows-based computers now crash more than twice each day.
I don’t think the Win9x releases had an error reporting service (I could be wrong). So much for the theory that Windows never crashes.
First of all, this is five percent of all Windows-based computers. Even though this is more than double Apple’s marketshare, it is not an overly significant number to quote.
First of all…what constitutes a “windows crash” are we talking apps or the whole kit n’ kaboodle? If it’s just apps, which I have a tendency to think this is the case…then I have “Linux crashes” 5 times a day thanks to Mozilla and KDE.
And second…who ever said Windows never crashes? Nobody in their right mind would say such a thing, not even Billy Boy.
I think the switch campaign had some impact but not enough to warrant it a success. It is better than doing nothing which Apple HAS done before.
I wasn’t really impressed with the Switcher campaign. “Think Different” seemed to be less in your face and more appropriate for Apple.
The music and some of the people were annoying. I would rather see commercial of Mac converts doing neat things with MacOSX or see commercials on MacOSX or see slick commerials focusing on the hardware. The narration should not be done by Jeff Goldblum, another annoying person. Why is Apple so fixated on presenting annoying people as Mac users?
Why the unnecessary jibe at Windows. Windows users already don’t like Windows. What can a Mac do for them?
I really wish their ads were much more sleek like the Nissan 350Z or Infinti ads. Often times to pique someone’s curiosity you need to show them a little of the product in a slick manner is enough.
We really don’t need stoned chicks against a white background beeping at us and telling us that she is computer illiterate.
“Matt…stop…just stop…you’ve spewed more than your quota of stupidity for one day. ”
You havent said anything smart yourself, hyprocryte.
About this topic: What is up with that girl who saved XMas? Her father doesnt need to install drivers the Windows Wizard works just fine.
You havent said anything smart yourself, hyprocryte.
Don’t you have something better to do like go troll on Slashdot or 0wn N00bz @ Qu4k3?
If you have “So much to do” why are you replying?
Why would any one want a computer, they are two expencive. Pen/Pencil and paper are cheaper and they do my job. Never saw any need to upgrade those either with expencive parts. Paper and Pen/Pencil are better then PCs and Macs
What’s a Mac? I thought those switch commericals where to get people that eat at Burger King to switch to McDonald’s. Now there’s a Mac [sic] with market share (probably has more software for it too) 🙂 Kidding Mac people…just trying to make a nice Friday of all this….
Because the Pen and paper cant play DVDs, or go on the internet, or play music, or play games, or maybe EASIER word processing. But I know you’re joking…. hehe
Those switch computers were talking about digital camera’s so much my dad was shocked to find out it was Apple Macintosh (And was also shocked that to find out Apple was still out there, but he wasnt shocked to death, just suprised)
If you have “So much to do” why are you replying?
I got a break from WORK…that thing that pays my bills. Well some of them…LOL.
Whyd you bold in WORK?
Whyd you bold in WORK?
Cause I felt like it. :p LOL
If apps crash that’s one thing…but if an OS allows apps to bring down the entire system that’s something else altogether…
Just like Apple felt like making stupid switch commercials?